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Is this external Seagate 500 GB HDD dying?
Ant wrote
FYI. I haven't had time to rerun the long tests and try with the installed free HD Sentinel due to my forced eviction move. You were warned about repeatedly kicking the landlord's cat... I did run another Time Machine after a couple weeks ago, and had no problems. I recalled people mentiopower issues with these external USB HDDs without their power AC. I forgot to mention that I mostly use them without connecting the MacBook Pros' power AC connection. Maybe that caused the data corruption? Shouldn't do. The worst it should do is see the laptop shut down as the battery runs out. On 8/23/2014 4:25 PM PT, Ant typed: Yeah, I wonder why it couldn't finish its long tests with GSmartControl. On 8/23/2014 12:54 PM PT, Arno typed: Hi Ant. It looks fine, but there are the two aborted self-tests. Unless this thing can at least get one long SMART selftest done, I would not trust it. It may have issues that do not show up in SMART. Arno In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant wrote: Hello. Earlier today, I tried to do a weekly back up (Time Machine) but Mac OS X 10.8.5 refused to mount its MacHFS partition (FAT32 was OK). Its Disk Utility ran for a long time on MacHFS partition, couldn't repair it, and told me to back it up if possible. Since it was a back up of the working MacBook Pro, I decided to format it and back up from scratch to see what happens. Both quick format and full 126.1 GB back up (took about a couple hours -- too slow?) had no problems. Just for kicks, I decided to connect this old USB2 Seagate FreeAgent G portable HDD to my Debian/Linux box to run gsmartctl, but it couldn't read SMART data with gsmartctl. I tried my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 machine and it had no problems with gsmartctl. I ran its short tests and no problems. I ran its 2.22... hours long tests, but it (fail/abort)ed. Maybe I shouldn't be multitasking. Can someone please kindly review what the logs say: smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [i686-w64-mingw32-xp-sp3] (sf-5.43-1) Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Momentus 5400.6 Device Model: ST9500325AS Serial Number: 5VE6.... LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 01e168ff3 Firmware Version: 0002BSM1 User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sat Aug 16 19:44:58 2014 PDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 25) The self-test routine was aborted by the host. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 0) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 138) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x103b) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 118 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 190207303 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 099 098 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 325 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 064 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 2635639 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 66 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 037 020 Old_age Always - 230 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 062 057 045 Old_age Always - 38 (Min/Max 32/38) 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1715 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 038 043 000 Old_age Always - 38 (0 17 0 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 047 045 000 Old_age Always - 190207303 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 66 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 65 - # 3 Conveyance offline Completed without error 00% 65 - # 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 65 - SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Thank you in advance. |
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Is this external Seagate 500 GB HDD dying?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that Arno wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage nospam wrote: In article , Arno wrote: That is not the point. The point is that you have to run a HDD for a certain time before it reaches normal reliability. no you don't. Really? No clue about engineering and you make absolute statements? Pathetic. Look up "bathtub-courve" and then feel like the idiot you are. You have a gross misunderstanding of what statistics mean. The only one who keeps looking more and more foolish is you. Hehehehe. Unlike you I am an engineer and a scientist. Really, go away, you are clueless. Arno |
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Is this external Seagate 500 GB HDD dying?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage nospam wrote:
In article , Arno wrote: That is not the point. The point is that you have to run a HDD for a certain time before it reaches normal reliability. no you don't. Really? really. No clue about engineering and you make absolute statements? Pathetic. Look up "bathtub-courve" and then feel like the idiot you are. the bathtub curve does not say you have to run a drive to get to reach normal reliability. what it says is that some will fail early on and some will fail much later and between those points will be random failures. that makes you the idiot. Funny. Actually, it does. Of course you have to discard early failures. But the very point is that you cannot efficiently determine beforehand which ones will be early failures and which ones will not be, hence you run them in a "burn in" to make the early failures reveal themselves. Really, this is all standad and exceedingly well established engineering. Read a book or something but stop claiming bull****. I have to say though that even the most stupid engineering students usually understand this idea. Arno |
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Is this external Seagate 500 GB HDD dying?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant wrote:
FYI. I haven't had time to rerun the long tests and try with the installed free HD Sentinel due to my forced eviction move. I did run another Time Machine after a couple weeks ago, and had no problems. I recalled people mentiopower issues with these external USB HDDs without their power AC. I forgot to mention that I mostly use them without connecting the MacBook Pros' power AC connection. Maybe that caused the data corruption? Possible. I have had data corruption before due to bad power. It is rare though. Arno On 8/23/2014 4:25 PM PT, Ant typed: Yeah, I wonder why it couldn't finish its long tests with GSmartControl. On 8/23/2014 12:54 PM PT, Arno typed: Hi Ant. It looks fine, but there are the two aborted self-tests. Unless this thing can at least get one long SMART selftest done, I would not trust it. It may have issues that do not show up in SMART. Arno In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant wrote: Hello. Earlier today, I tried to do a weekly back up (Time Machine) but Mac OS X 10.8.5 refused to mount its MacHFS partition (FAT32 was OK). Its Disk Utility ran for a long time on MacHFS partition, couldn't repair it, and told me to back it up if possible. Since it was a back up of the working MacBook Pro, I decided to format it and back up from scratch to see what happens. Both quick format and full 126.1 GB back up (took about a couple hours -- too slow?) had no problems. Just for kicks, I decided to connect this old USB2 Seagate FreeAgent G portable HDD to my Debian/Linux box to run gsmartctl, but it couldn't read SMART data with gsmartctl. I tried my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 machine and it had no problems with gsmartctl. I ran its short tests and no problems. I ran its 2.22... hours long tests, but it (fail/abort)ed. Maybe I shouldn't be multitasking. Can someone please kindly review what the logs say: smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [i686-w64-mingw32-xp-sp3] (sf-5.43-1) Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Momentus 5400.6 Device Model: ST9500325AS Serial Number: 5VE6.... LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 01e168ff3 Firmware Version: 0002BSM1 User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sat Aug 16 19:44:58 2014 PDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 25) The self-test routine was aborted by the host. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 0) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 138) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x103b) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 118 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 190207303 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 099 098 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 325 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 064 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 2635639 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 66 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 037 020 Old_age Always - 230 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 062 057 045 Old_age Always - 38 (Min/Max 32/38) 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1715 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 038 043 000 Old_age Always - 38 (0 17 0 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 047 045 000 Old_age Always - 190207303 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 66 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 65 - # 3 Conveyance offline Completed without error 00% 65 - # 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 65 - SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Thank you in advance. -- "The greatest enemies of ants are other ants, just as the greatest enemies of men are other men." --Auguste Forel /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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For your reference, records indicate that
Arno wrote: Hehehehe. Unlike you I am an engineer and a scientist. You are an anonymous nobody. If there were a logical fallacy for an appeal to a *lack* of authority, you would be it. Really, go away, you are clueless. No, that’s somebody named Barry Dobyns. I’m actually Impossibly Stupid. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly |
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On 8/31/2014 12:18 PM PT, Rod Speed typed:
You were warned about repeatedly kicking the landlord's cat... Ha. No landlord. There are neighbors' cats though. I did run another Time Machine after a couple weeks ago, and had no problems. I recalled people mentioned power issues with these external USB HDDs without their power AC. I forgot to mention that I mostly use them without connecting the MacBook Pros' power AC connection. Maybe that caused the data corruption? Shouldn't do. The worst it should do is see the laptop shut down as the battery runs out. Ah, that never happened. -- "Busy as ants hurrying orcs were digging, digging lines of deep trenches in a huge ring, just out of bowshot from the walls;" --The Return of the King (book) /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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On 8/31/2014 7:42 PM PT, Arno typed:
I recalled people mentioned power issues with these external USB HDDs without their power AC. I forgot to mention that I mostly use them without connecting the MacBook Pros' power AC connection. Maybe that caused the data corruption? Possible. I have had data corruption before due to bad power. It is rare though. Hmm. Interesting. I must be having bad luck with those rarities. [sighs] -- "A centipede is an ant made to Canadian/government specs." --unknown /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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On 2014-09-01, Ant wrote:
On 8/31/2014 7:42 PM PT, Arno typed: I recalled people mentioned power issues with these external USB HDDs without their power AC. I forgot to mention that I mostly use them without connecting the MacBook Pros' power AC connection. Maybe that caused the data corruption? Possible. I have had data corruption before due to bad power. It is rare though. Hmm. Interesting. I must be having bad luck with those rarities. [sighs] As I've said before, I have experienced data corruption due to USB power issues twice in my life time. It's probably less common today, but it certainly can and has happened. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that Arno wrote: Hehehehe. Unlike you I am an engineer and a scientist. You are an anonymous nobody. If there were a logical fallacy for an appeal to a *lack* of authority, you would be it. And there you reveal yourself. I am not referring to any authority of mine here. I am referring to the fact that I know the basics of engineering, while you make utterly baseless ridiculous claims. This is a discipline where there are established facts. You do not know then, you have no business commenting on things. Really, you have a whole bucket of egg on your face. Arno |
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In alt.comp.periphs.hdd Ant wrote:
FYI. I haven't had time to rerun the long tests and try with the installed free HD Sentinel due to my forced eviction move. I did run another Time Machine after a couple weeks ago, and had no problems. OK, I finally found some free time for now. FYI on HD Sentinel v4.50 in my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 machine: "The hard disk status is PERFECT. Problematic or weak sectors were not found and there are no spin up or data transfer errors. No actions needed. Power on Time: 3 days, 2 hours Estimated remaioning lifetime: more than 1,000 days Total start/stop count: 337" This was after I ran another manual Mac OS X 10.8.5's TimeMachine backup (1.22 GB) for this week. Just for kicks, I ran GSmartControl's extended self-test but it again aborted after a few minutes with six/6 green test status bar blocks showing (started with 2 hours and 18 minutes to 2 hours and 16 before I went AFK and returned). I checked its results: smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [i686-w64-mingw32-xp-sp3] (sf-5.43-1) Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Momentus 5400.6 Device Model: ST9500325AS Serial Number: 5VE6LQ39 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 01e168ff3 Firmware Version: 0002BSM1 User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sun Sep 07 10:35:40 2014 PDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 25) The self-test routine was aborted by the host. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 0) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 138) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x103b) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 119 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 201790689 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 099 098 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 338 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 064 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 2645702 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 74 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 037 020 Old_age Always - 237 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 065 056 045 Old_age Always - 35 (Min/Max 29/35) 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 11 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1758 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 035 044 000 Old_age Always - 35 (0 17 0 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 051 045 000 Old_age Always - 201790689 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 74 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 72 - # 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 66 - # 4 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 66 - # 5 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 66 - # 6 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 65 - # 7 Conveyance offline Completed without error 00% 65 - # 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 65 - SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay I think I am going to stop worrying about this long test since HDD backups are working OK unless the issues return. What do you guys think? -- Moving to another nest sucks. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. If crediting, ( ) then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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