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Real-world ink longevity test
NotMe wrote:
"measekite" wrote in message t... | | | Michael Johnson wrote: | TJ wrote: | I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for | his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color | photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, | and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with | aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our | living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. | While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not | receive direct sunlight at any time. | | So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print | looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully | expect it to look good for years to come. | | Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines | would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically | before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. | With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, | long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. | | We have hundreds upon hundreds of photos printed with after market ink | and they ALL look as good as the day they were printed. Based on my | personal experience, any difference that exists between OEM and after | market ink used in Canon printers is inconsequential to the average user. | | That is not true. And you know this how? He knows I speak the truth but is too stubborn to admit it. People that buy OEM ink insure that I will pay a very low price for my next printer. He does serve a useful purpose because I like inexpensive inkjet printers. |
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DK wrote:
Michael Johnson wrote: DK wrote: TJ wrote: I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not receive direct sunlight at any time. So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully expect it to look good for years to come. Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. Of course it is OK after a year - it is under glass! Not that there is anyhting wrong with refilling but thus far every single test I am aware of has been pretty unequivocal: aftermarket inks fade faster, sometimes a lot faster, than OEM from reputable vendors (Epson, Canon). Every single print I have produced using after market ink has not faded at all. Now I don't store them on the dash board of my truck but I also don't hermetically seal them either. The problem with the tests I have reviewed is they usually don't test the better after market inks. Also, many of these tests are done to have a predetermined outcome which is why they use the more inferior after market inks to test against the OEM inks. Not true when it comes to nifty-stuff.com user tests. http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading.php http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading1.php I didn't say all tests were bad just most of them. Any test of anything printed in a magazine is subject to scrutiny, IMO. Besides, if I ever do have a print that fades then all I need to do is print another one. I am willing to get 95%+ of durability of OEM ink to save 85% of its cost. A good trade, IMO. Totally agree. That's why I refill, too. But the fact remains - for some reason imitators thus far can never get it right. I can only go on what my own personal experience is with after market ink that I actually use. I have never had a print that faded. Maybe I would if I kept them in a different environment. Also, any prints I make have a digital copy on hard drive and DVD backups which never degrade. Fading just isn't an issue for me and I am probably no different than 95% of the population. The touting of longevity is more for marketing bragging rights than real world usefulness for the at home inkjet printer user, IMO. |
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Real-world ink longevity test
NotMe wrote: "DK" wrote in message ... | TJ wrote: | I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for his | funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color photo. | I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, and HP ink | cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with aftermarket ink. | Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our living room wall, | framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. While it is a bright | room, the spot where the print hangs does not receive direct sunlight at | any time. | | So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print looks | as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully expect it to | look good for years to come. | | Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines would | have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before | it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. With just a | moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, long, time. | With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. | | Of course it is OK after a year - it is under glass! Not that there is | anything wrong with refilling but thus far every single test I am aware | of has been pretty unequivocal: aftermarket inks fade faster, | sometimes a lot faster, than OEM from reputable vendors (Epson, | Canon). I would question the test. Recall that the tobacco companies published studies out the kazoo that smoking was not harmful. They even had physicians offering personal endorsements. FWIW even hand painted oils deteriorate, the rate depends on the more on the environment and care than on the materials used. Sounds like you are concerned that aftermarket ink will give you cancer if you smoke it. |
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DK wrote: snip The basic result in all tests has been very consistent: third party inks, even the better ones like Image Specialists (e.g., apparently = MIS and Fromulabs), suck in comparison to OEM when it comes to fade resistance. That is correct. Those who say otherwise either cannot see or their photos are so bad to begin with they cannot tell the difference. Mind you, I refill. If anything, I am *very* surprised why big OEM companies so consistently come ahead of less known. Obviously, Canon does not make its inks... But they do. They design, engineer, formulate and monitor quality of all ink that bears their name and they make sure it is produced to their specifications. They have QA people making sure of this. DK |
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Real-world ink longevity test
Michael Johnson wrote: DK wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: DK wrote: TJ wrote: I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not receive direct sunlight at any time. So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully expect it to look good for years to come. Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. Of course it is OK after a year - it is under glass! Not that there is anyhting wrong with refilling but thus far every single test I am aware of has been pretty unequivocal: aftermarket inks fade faster, sometimes a lot faster, than OEM from reputable vendors (Epson, Canon). Every single print I have produced using after market ink has not faded at all. Now I don't store them on the dash board of my truck but I also don't hermetically seal them either. The problem with the tests I have reviewed is they usually don't test the better after market inks. Also, many of these tests are done to have a predetermined outcome which is why they use the more inferior after market inks to test against the OEM inks. Not true when it comes to nifty-stuff.com user tests. http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading.php http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading1.php I didn't say all tests were bad just most of them. Any test of anything printed in a magazine is subject to scrutiny, IMO. Besides, if I ever do have a print that fades then all I need to do is print another one. I am willing to get 95%+ of durability of OEM ink to save 85% of its cost. A good trade, IMO. Totally agree. That's why I refill, too. But the fact remains - for some reason imitators thus far can never get it right. I can only go on what my own personal experience is with after market ink that I actually use. I have never had a print that faded. Maybe I would if I kept them in a different environment. Also, any prints I make have a digital copy on hard drive and DVD backups which never degrade. It is very obvious that you are totally misinformed. DVD, CD, and any other electronic media degrades over time. The dye on this media does degrade and every 5 to 10 years it is pudent to recopy and thing that has worth. Maybe you say this because nothing you have has any worth. I do not know. But do not post this misinformation. Do some research on Google and you will find these facts out. Fading just isn't an issue for me and I am probably no different than 95% of the population. The touting of longevity is more for marketing bragging rights than real world usefulness for the at home inkjet printer user, IMO. |
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Real-world ink longevity test
One of the problems with "aftermarket inks" is that you can't make any
statements about them. There are so many of them, and they are so different (from as good as (perhaps in a few cases even better than) OEM to pure junk) that no meaningful statement applies to all of them. So you can't really say something like "tests ... would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth." That may be a true statement for the particular aftermarket ink that you used, but it's definitely not true of all aftermarket inks. And therein likes one of the problems: You don't know what you are getting or what it's characteristics are. TJ wrote: I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not receive direct sunlight at any time. So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully expect it to look good for years to come. Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. TJ |
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Real-world ink longevity test
Michael Johnson wrote:
TJ wrote: I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper, and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass. While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not receive direct sunlight at any time. So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully expect it to look good for years to come. Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth. With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good, long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly. We have hundreds upon hundreds of photos printed with after market ink and they ALL look as good as the day they were printed. Based on my personal experience, any difference that exists between OEM and after market ink used in Canon printers is inconsequential to the average user. This is all true. Frank |
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Real-world ink longevity test
measekite wrote:
That is not true. --------------------------- You are a liar! Frank |
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