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Which hard drive works?
I would like to add another internal hard drive, of 120GB or larger size to
my computer Dimension 8200 (its has a 40G now). I do a lot of audio work and the 40G is full now. When using Dell website to select drives for this machine, only 80GB are shown. Is that the max size I can go? If not, what other drive can I use? The drives shown were specified as EIDE type. I would also like a minimum 7200 RPM drive. Also, when I buy it from Dell, does it come with instructions and everything I need to install and cables etc? Thanks for any help! |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:02:56 -0700, stratman wrote in
news:eqt3d.27311$ni.8550@okepread01: I would like to add another internal hard drive, of 120GB or larger size to my computer Dimension 8200 (its has a 40G now). I do a lot of audio work and the 40G is full now. When using Dell website to select drives for this machine, only 80GB are shown. Is that the max size I can go? If not, what other drive can I use? The drives shown were specified as EIDE type. I would also like a minimum 7200 RPM drive. Also, when I buy it from Dell, does it come with instructions and everything I need to install and cables etc? Thanks for any help! If I were you, I'd just go to Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, etc. and pick up a hard drive. I was just in Best Buy yesterday and they had a 120GB Seagate SATA hard drive for $96. I'm sure you can find it a little cheaper on the 'net, but then you have to pay shipping and wait for it to arrive, etc. I'm not sure how much the IDE hard drives were since I don't use them for my 8400. As for cables and instructions, yes those will come in the box. However, you probably won't need a cable if you only have a single hard drive in your system. You would just need to screw on the two plastic "rails" to the hard drive itself (there should be some extra ones inside your computer case), make sure it's jumpered correctly for slave or cable select, slide it into place, plug in one of the connectors on the IDE cable, and plug in a power connector. Boot up and once you get to the Windows desktop go to Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management and select the new hard drive which you should see here if it's jumpered correctly. If not, check the jumper plug again. The main hard drive or the one you are booting from (the one already in your system) will be either master or cable select. If it's master set the second hard drive to slave. If the one in your system already is set to cable select, set the new drive to cable select as well. Also make sure the boot hard drive is on the end of the IDE cable. It should be there already with an empty connector in the middle of the cable. This is the cable you will hook to the new drive. Anyway, back to formatting... Right click on the new hard drive once you get to Disk Management and select format and Windows will format it for you. Once that is done it's all ready to use. This is how I've added IDE hard drives to my Windows XP system before. :-) Dave -- You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us! US Army Signal Corps!! http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98 Remove IH8SPAM to reply by email! |
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David Casey wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:02:56 -0700, stratman wrote in news:eqt3d.27311$ni.8550@okepread01: I would like to add another internal hard drive, of 120GB or larger size to my computer Dimension 8200 (its has a 40G now). I do a lot of audio work and the 40G is full now. When using Dell website to select drives for this machine, only 80GB are shown. Is that the max size I can go? If not, what other drive can I use? The drives shown were specified as EIDE type. I would also like a minimum 7200 RPM drive. Also, when I buy it from Dell, does it come with instructions and everything I need to install and cables etc? Thanks for any help! If I were you, I'd just go to Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, etc. and pick up a hard drive. I was just in Best Buy yesterday and they had a 120GB Seagate SATA hard drive for $96. I'm sure you can find it a little cheaper on the 'net, but then you have to pay shipping and wait for it to arrive, etc. I'm not sure how much the IDE hard drives were since I don't use them for my 8400. Generally good advice, but you're not quite on the money when it comes to online merchants - I bought a new HDD from Newegg last month, they were offering free 2 day shipping & the price was much better than the local CompUSA had it. This was a bare drive, i.e., no cables, screws, instructions, which shouldn't be a problem as David pointed out. If you have a Dell (which you do), the new HDD should be jumpered for Cable Select (CS). IIRC most HDDs come jumpered for Master. FYI, you may need needlenose pliers to manipulate the jumper. |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:15:36 GMT, Sparky wrote in
t: Generally good advice, but you're not quite on the money when it comes to online merchants - I bought a new HDD from Newegg last month, they were offering free 2 day shipping & the price was much better than the local CompUSA had it. This was a bare drive, i.e., no cables, screws, instructions, which shouldn't be a problem as David pointed out. If you have a Dell (which you do), the new HDD should be jumpered for Cable Select (CS). IIRC most HDDs come jumpered for Master. FYI, you may need needlenose pliers to manipulate the jumper. I just bought and installed a DVD burner this weekend and as I was reading through the manual it came with, it said to use cable select you had to have a special cable select IDE cable. I'd never heard of that before and it didn't really apply to me since in my 8400 everything is set to cable select from the factory anyway. Just wondering if such a cable really does exist and what the difference might be. Dave -- You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us! US Army Signal Corps!! http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98 Remove IH8SPAM to reply by email! |
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Cable select cables have one wire filaments cut to one of the connectors. I
don't have a cable select cable to tell you which filament is cut to which connector. If you jumper both devices in the cable select position, one device will show up as master and the other as slave, the relation dictated by the position on the cable. Hence the name "cable select." The connectors on these cable are also usually marked "system", "master" and "slave", so they can be connected up properly. The other type of cable has all wire filaments present to both connectors, and drives must be explicitly jumpered as master or slave with this type of cable. A drive jumpered as master can be attached to either of the non-system cable connectors. Same with slave. One can, of course, jumper a drive as master and connect it to the master position of a cable select cable, and the drive will operate properly as a master. Same with slave... Ben Myers On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:52:21 -0600, David Casey wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:15:36 GMT, Sparky wrote in et: Generally good advice, but you're not quite on the money when it comes to online merchants - I bought a new HDD from Newegg last month, they were offering free 2 day shipping & the price was much better than the local CompUSA had it. This was a bare drive, i.e., no cables, screws, instructions, which shouldn't be a problem as David pointed out. If you have a Dell (which you do), the new HDD should be jumpered for Cable Select (CS). IIRC most HDDs come jumpered for Master. FYI, you may need needlenose pliers to manipulate the jumper. I just bought and installed a DVD burner this weekend and as I was reading through the manual it came with, it said to use cable select you had to have a special cable select IDE cable. I'd never heard of that before and it didn't really apply to me since in my 8400 everything is set to cable select from the factory anyway. Just wondering if such a cable really does exist and what the difference might be. Dave -- You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us! US Army Signal Corps!! http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98 Remove IH8SPAM to reply by email! |
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(Ben Myers) wrote: One can, of course, jumper a drive as master and connect it to the master position of a cable select cable, and the drive will operate properly as a master. Same with slave... The jumpering is only to differentiate the drives on the channel. A drive jumpered "Master" can be put at the intermediate connector, and a drive jumpered "Slave" can be put at the end connector, and they will work just as well. "Master" and "Slave" are bad names. "Drive X" and "Drive Y" would actually be better since they don't imply a hierarchy of authority. *TimDaniels* |
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"The jumpering is only to differentiate the drives on the channel. A drive
jumpered "Master" can be put at the intermediate connector, and a drive jumpered "Slave" can be put at the end connector, and they will work just as well." True, with the other "non-cable select" type of cable, where positions of the drives are irrelevant. While explicit master and slave jumpering may work with cable-select cables, it violates the standard. The master and slave designations accurately depict function. IDE/ATAPI drives have built-in controller logic to replace the freestanding controllers of their similar MFM, RLL and ESDI predecessors. The "master" IDE drive in a two-drive setup interprets and executes commands on behalf of the "slave". There is a reason for the politically incorrect master-slave relationship, which is why the industry standard body which concocted it used the terminology that it did. .... Ben Myers On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:44:20 -0700, "Timothy Daniels" wrote: (Ben Myers) wrote: One can, of course, jumper a drive as master and connect it to the master position of a cable select cable, and the drive will operate properly as a master. Same with slave... The jumpering is only to differentiate the drives on the channel. A drive jumpered "Master" can be put at the intermediate connector, and a drive jumpered "Slave" can be put at the end connector, and they will work just as well. "Master" and "Slave" are bad names. "Drive X" and "Drive Y" would actually be better since they don't imply a hierarchy of authority. *TimDaniels* |
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"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ... "Master" and "Slave" are bad names. Which is probably why that nomenclature was abandoned starting with ATA-2. "Drive X" and "Drive Y" would actually be better since they don't imply a hierarchy of authority. Device 0 and Device 1 are the proper names. |
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Back to the future. MFM, RLL & ESDI called the devices 0 & 1, too... Ben Myers
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:26:29 -0400, "Ted" wrote: "Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ... "Master" and "Slave" are bad names. Which is probably why that nomenclature was abandoned starting with ATA-2. "Drive X" and "Drive Y" would actually be better since they don't imply a hierarchy of authority. Device 0 and Device 1 are the proper names. |
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I usually buy a name brand white box drive from http://www.dalco.com/ . I
then go to the maker's tech support, and read the faq on how to install a HD in XP. If I buy a DVD burner, I purchase a retail box Plextor drive from Dell.I usually get a drive at a discount and with a rebate. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Back to the future. MFM, RLL & ESDI called the devices 0 & 1, too... Ben Myers On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:26:29 -0400, "Ted" wrote: "Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ... "Master" and "Slave" are bad names. Which is probably why that nomenclature was abandoned starting with ATA-2. "Drive X" and "Drive Y" would actually be better since they don't imply a hierarchy of authority. Device 0 and Device 1 are the proper names. |
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