Want to buy AIO

I just bought an Epson Artisan 800 AIO. It arrived DOA, and I am
returning it. Of course, Epson now says it is out of stock. I do
not want HP. Have one and have had nothing but trouble, not to
mention the fact that HP has discontinued support for the thing
(C7280).

Now I am scared.

I want to buy (without breaking the bank) an inkjet all-in-one with
the following features:

scan including negatives 48-bit color
print paper two sides up to 81/2X14
print photos (4X6)
print CD/DVD
copy
fax
USB
Ethernet CAT5
wireless
Optical res 4800dpi



Anyone recommend and why?

Thanks

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:43:08 -0500, wrote:

I just bought an Epson Artisan 800 AIO. It arrived DOA, and I am
returning it. Of course, Epson now says it is out of stock. I do
not want HP. Have one and have had nothing but trouble, not to
mention the fact that HP has discontinued support for the thing
(C7280).

Now I am scared.

I want to buy (without breaking the bank) an inkjet all-in-one with
the following features:

scan including negatives 48-bit color
print paper two sides up to 81/2X14
print photos (4X6)
print CD/DVD
copy
fax
USB
Ethernet CAT5
wireless
Optical res 4800dpi



Anyone recommend and why?

Thanks

Epson et al. also discontinue support at some point, I
wouldn't use that as a reason to avoid all products by one
of the major manufacturers. Your best bet for longer
support into the future is buy one of the most recent/new
models, and yet doing so you're more likely to get an early,
possibly more buggy driver version.

tried one of those artisans when they came out.
It worked, but went through ink like a sponge, and I thought it was just
stupid to dare charge users extra for the duplexer on a $400 printer

HP is now so pathetic for support I would never buy anything from them

Ended up with a Canon 850, and been happy for over a year.

But the best advice I can offer is that none of them are even close to the
quality they were 10 years ago.
Two years and you will likely be looking for a new one no matter what you
buy.





kony wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:43:08 -0500, wrote:

I just bought an Epson Artisan 800 AIO. It arrived DOA, and I am
returning it. Of course, Epson now says it is out of stock. I do
not want HP. Have one and have had nothing but trouble, not to
mention the fact that HP has discontinued support for the thing
(C7280).

Now I am scared.

I want to buy (without breaking the bank) an inkjet all-in-one with
the following features:

scan including negatives 48-bit color
print paper two sides up to 81/2X14
print photos (4X6)
print CD/DVD
copy
fax
USB
Ethernet CAT5
wireless
Optical res 4800dpi



Anyone recommend and why?

Thanks

Epson et al. also discontinue support at some point, I
wouldn't use that as a reason to avoid all products by one
of the major manufacturers. Your best bet for longer
support into the future is buy one of the most recent/new
models, and yet doing so you're more likely to get an early,
possibly more buggy driver version.

On 3/10/2010 12:18 PM, Bast wrote:
HP is now so pathetic for support I would never buy anything from them

Ended up with a Canon 850, and been happy for over a year.

But the best advice I can offer is that none of them are even close to the
quality they were 10 years ago.
Two years and you will likely be looking for a new one no matter what you
buy.

Forsoothe

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:18:33 -0500, "Bast"
wrote:

tried one of those artisans when they came out.
It worked, but went through ink like a sponge, and I thought it was just
stupid to dare charge users extra for the duplexer on a $400 printer

It's not uncommon, I've a close to $1000 printer that costs
a few hundred more for the duplexer.


HP is now so pathetic for support I would never buy anything from them

I don't expect support for anything anymore except custom
software. All you can do is report a problem and hope they
tell you if a new driver is coming out some month soon... or
get a refund ASAP if a new product doesn't work out of the
box.




Ended up with a Canon 850, and been happy for over a year.

But the best advice I can offer is that none of them are even close to the
quality they were 10 years ago.
Two years and you will likely be looking for a new one no matter what you
buy.


.... that's why you have to spend more for the higher price
tiered, higher duty cycle models, though I concede they
aren't as good as they used to be either and with most
consumer products I try to avoid all-in-one type products in
general, though on printers having the one-touch copy
(machine) button so the computer doesn't even need to be
turned on can come in handy.

kony wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:18:33 -0500, "Bast"
wrote:

tried one of those artisans when they came out.
It worked, but went through ink like a sponge, and I thought it was
just stupid to dare charge users extra for the duplexer on a $400
printer

It's not uncommon, I've a close to $1000 printer that costs
a few hundred more for the duplexer.


HP is now so pathetic for support I would never buy anything from them

I don't expect support for anything anymore except custom
software. All you can do is report a problem and hope they
tell you if a new driver is coming out some month soon... or
get a refund ASAP if a new product doesn't work out of the
box.




Ended up with a Canon 850, and been happy for over a year.

But the best advice I can offer is that none of them are even close to
the quality they were 10 years ago.
Two years and you will likely be looking for a new one no matter what
you buy.


... that's why you have to spend more for the higher price
tiered, higher duty cycle models, though I concede they
aren't as good as they used to be either and with most
consumer products I try to avoid all-in-one type products in
general, though on printers having the one-touch copy
(machine) button so the computer doesn't even need to be
turned on can come in handy.

kony wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:18:33 -0500, "Bast"
wrote:

tried one of those artisans when they came out.
It worked, but went through ink like a sponge, and I thought it was
just stupid to dare charge users extra for the duplexer on a $400
printer

It's not uncommon, I've a close to $1000 printer that costs
a few hundred more for the duplexer.


HP is now so pathetic for support I would never buy anything from them

I don't expect support for anything anymore except custom
software. All you can do is report a problem and hope they
tell you if a new driver is coming out some month soon... or
get a refund ASAP if a new product doesn't work out of the
box.




Ended up with a Canon 850, and been happy for over a year.

But the best advice I can offer is that none of them are even close to
the quality they were 10 years ago.
Two years and you will likely be looking for a new one no matter what
you buy.


... that's why you have to spend more for the higher price
tiered, higher duty cycle models, though I concede they
aren't as good as they used to be either and with most
consumer products I try to avoid all-in-one type products in
general, though on printers having the one-touch copy
(machine) button so the computer doesn't even need to be
turned on can come in handy.


Sadest part is the really high end models are no better quality either.
However a company that can afford them only lease for a year or so, so
really could not care less if it can last 20 years.

Sort of comical that many of us have 20+ year old dot-matrix units that
still work great, but you can't get the ribbons for them anymore

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:57:58 -0400, "Bast"
wrote:


Sadest part is the really high end models are no better quality either.
However a company that can afford them only lease for a year or so, so
really could not care less if it can last 20 years.

Sort of comical that many of us have 20+ year old dot-matrix units that
still work great, but you can't get the ribbons for them anymore


I have a dot matrix in the basement and have no desire to
use it. Takes fan-fold tractor feed paper which is unwieldy
these days, and the cost per page is higher than an ancient
laser printer I hope to keep running as long as possible.

It's kind of ironic that I value my ancient laser printer
more than my fancy 2 year old high end color laser. The
latter consumes toner at an alarming rate, wasting hundreds
of dollars worth of color toner per year even if it's only
printing a lot of B&W text pages... so I seldom use it
anymore except for printing high color images.

I think that ruling out HP is a mistake. But, that said, very few if
any HP models directly print CD/DVD and duplex in a single pass.

On scanning negatives, that is not something that any AIO will do well.
The best film scanners are the Nikon scanners (now discontinued) and
the Epson flatbed scanners, but the stand alone full size scanners.
There is a fundamental difference there, the scanners in AIO units are
"CIS" technology, while high end stand alone scanners use CCD
technology. You also need a technology called "Digital ICE" to do a top
notch job, and I don't think that any AIO scanners have that.

AIO's are, by definition, compromises ... you give up a number of
things. In terms of film scanning, you will likely give up a lot,
although you may not realize just how much unless you get a chance to
compare the same slide scanned on multiple scanners.

BTW, 48-bit color is not necessary for top-notch scanning. The JPEG
format is limited (LIMITED) to 24-bit color -- and that's what most
digital cameras use, unless you save in RAW or TIFF (which only high-end
cameras even support). There are many other things (some of which are
nearly impossible to quantify) that go into the quality of a film
scanner, and color depth can be pretty far down on the list.


wrote:
I just bought an Epson Artisan 800 AIO. It arrived DOA, and I am
returning it. Of course, Epson now says it is out of stock. I do
not want HP. Have one and have had nothing but trouble, not to
mention the fact that HP has discontinued support for the thing
(C7280).

Now I am scared.

I want to buy (without breaking the bank) an inkjet all-in-one with
the following features:

scan including negatives 48-bit color
print paper two sides up to 81/2X14
print photos (4X6)
print CD/DVD
copy
fax
USB
Ethernet CAT5
wireless
Optical res 4800dpi



Anyone recommend and why?

Thanks

Thanks for your thoughts Barry.

Duke