Old Deskpro + New PCI IDE Card Troubles

Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Did you go into CMOS and disable the onboard IDE controller?
HH

"Adam" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote:

Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Just done that - didn't make any difference
Still doesn't even appear on the list.

Adam

HH wrote:
Did you go into CMOS and disable the onboard IDE controller?
HH

"Adam" wrote in message
...

Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Adam

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Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:

A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote:


Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

--
Adam Richardson
Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com
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Adam

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Adam,

Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board
requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI
2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card.

The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the
most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few
made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote:

Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:

A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote:


Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com
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Adam

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Oh

So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working?

Adam

Ben Myers wrote:

Adam,

Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board
requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI
2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card.

The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the
most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few
made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote:


Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:


A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote:



Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com
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Adam

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Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right
address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0
device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable.



Oh

So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working?

Adam

Ben Myers wrote:

Adam,

Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board
requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI
2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card.

The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the
most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few
made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote:


Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:


A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote:



Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

--
Adam Richardson
Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com
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Adam

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Adam

I'll accept your thoughts on the PCI cards, but no machine ever shipped with
a USB1.0 port, so I don't think your comments are accurate. USB2 devices
will run flawlessly (and slowly) on a USB1.1 port.

Tom
"Sharmon" wrote in message
...
Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right
address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0
device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable.



Oh

So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working?

Adam

Ben Myers wrote:

Adam,

Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2
board
requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo.
However, a PCI
2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card.

The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard.
For the
most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant,
with a few
made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam
wrote:


Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:


A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the
PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require
PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam
wrote:



Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the
8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS
:-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

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Adam Richardson
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Adam

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Adam

Tom I am used to your disputing everything I say but you might want to
look up OHCI especially when Compaq started making the transition to
UHCI 1.0 (1994-late 1996) . It is known as USB 1.0/1.1 and was very
common in a lot of earlier P2's . The southbridge chipset wasn't even
capable of handling the higher 12mb/s I/O for about 4 months after
UHCI 1.1 was developed .Only mice , keyboards and other 1.5 mb/s
devices worked well. A lot of Digital R&D was put into perfecting it
for about two years after the spec was published. (real world met
theory in a big way). Yes USB 2.0 devices will usually work on 1.1
ports but they will not work on 1.0 ports if the full 12mb/s is needed
.. I had an Armada 1700 that had a USB 1.0 port listed as USB 1.1
compliant that worked only with 1.5 mb/s devices and the occasional
older Palm (the MB in the Armada was ver 1.1A this problem was fixed
by ver 2.0) . I worked for Digital/Compaq/HP for 11 years and finally
got tired of be treated like trash and now work for the federal
government so I can stop worry so much about be "downsized" for a
change.

Best Regards Tom

Sharmon

I'll accept your thoughts on the PCI cards, but no machine ever shipped with
a USB1.0 port, so I don't think your comments are accurate. USB2 devices
will run flawlessly (and slowly) on a USB1.1 port.

Tom
"Sharmon" wrote in message
.. .
Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right
address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0
device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable.



Oh

So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working?

Adam

Ben Myers wrote:

Adam,

Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2
board
requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo.
However, a PCI
2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card.

The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard.
For the
most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant,
with a few
made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam
wrote:


Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb
say it's PCI, revision 2.2

Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though?

Adam


Ben Myers wrote:


A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the
PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require
PCI 2.1 on
the motherboard... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam
wrote:



Hi All,

I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the
8GB
limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not
recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS
:-(
(I've tried it in two different PCI slots)

Any ideas why?

My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X
The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image"


Thanks a lot,
Adam

--
Adam Richardson
Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com
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Adam

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Adam