bent HD pins... possible damage?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage J. Clarke wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin
wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected
to the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE
cable.

A wire is not a pin.

True. But the terminology for flat ribbon cables is mixed.
For flat ribbon cable number of individual wires in the cable is often
called number of pins. If the number of wires in the cable is not
equal to the number of connection the connectors make, the
term "pin" is inexact. Therefore it is important to look whether
people talk about "cable" or "connector". However "pin" was already
inexact in the connectors anyways, because it turns out that
the IDE connector on an 80-wire cable makes only 39 connections
but is generally referred to as "40 pin connector".

Arno
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"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin
wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

You utterly mangled your terms, not me. There are 40 pins and 80 wires.

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected
to the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE
cable.

Idiot. The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

Arno

Wotta ****ing troll.

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message
"Arno Wagner" wrote in message ...
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

You utterly mangled your terms, not me. There are 40 pins and 80 wires.

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected to
the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE cable.


Idiot.

?

The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

Huh?
How are the additional 40 'ground' wires supposed to connect to ground then?
And you called him an idiot?


Arno

Wotta ****ing troll.

In article ,
Folkert Rienstra wrote:

The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

Huh?
How are the additional 40 'ground' wires supposed to connect to ground then?

They are shorted to ground at the motherboard end, and are connected to
nothing at all at the device end.

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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:00:04 -0700 in comp.arch.storage, "Eric Gisin"
wrote:

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
...
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin
wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

You utterly mangled your terms, not me. There are 40 pins and 80 wires.

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected
to the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE
cable.

Idiot. The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

Ground pins 2, 19, 22, 24, 26, 30 and 40 will have a common circuit
connection with the other ground wires on the cable.

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Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada

(Brian[dot]Inglis{at}SystematicSW[dot]ab[dot]ca)
fake address use address above to reply

Is that you, Al Dykes?

"Thor Lancelot Simon" wrote in message
In article , Folkert Rienstra the idiot posted my reply address here wrote:

The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

Huh?
How are the additional 40 'ground' wires supposed to connect to ground then?

They are shorted to ground at the motherboard end, and are connected to
nothing at all at the device end.

You don't say. From the horses mouth (T13):

A.1.2 80-conductor cable assembly using the 40-pin connector

To provide better signal integrity, the optional 80-conductor cable as-
sembly is specified for use with 40-pin connectors. Use of this assembly
is mandatory for systems operating at Ultra DMA modes greater than 2.
The mating half of the connector is as described in A.1.

Every other conductor in the 80-conductor cable is connected to the
ground pins *in each connector*.

"Brian Inglis" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:00:04 -0700 in comp.arch.storage, "Eric Gisin"
wrote:

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
...
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin
wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

You utterly mangled your terms, not me. There are 40 pins and 80 wires.

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected
to the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE
cable.

Idiot. The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device
connector.

Ground pins 2, 19, 22, 24, 26, 30 and 40 will have a common circuit
connection with the other ground wires on the cable.

The question is topologically where. That does make a difference in a
transmission line.

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin wrote:
"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
...
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Eric Gisin
wrote:
There is no such thing as 80-pin IDE connectors or shielding pins.

True for 80-pin IDE connector. Read again blind fish: "80 pin _cable_"
is what I wrote about..

You utterly mangled your terms, not me. There are 40 pins and 80 wires.

Untrue for shielding pin: This is just short for for a pin connected
to the intra-cable shielding, i.e. every other wire on an 80 pin IDE
cable.

Idiot. The ground wires are not connected to any pin on the device connector.

And how do they become grounded if they are not connected to anything?
Seems your are incapable of rational thought...

Arno
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