On Jan 5, 5:21*pm, "Christopher Muto" wrote:
thanks bud, nice to know that someone out there can read
how on earth he thinks the circut in the apc notebook adapter is exactly the
same as that in a generic power strip is beyond me. *it does much more than
generic power strip.

It does? Then you posted those numbers. Oh? Still no numbers?
APC and Tripplite have same protection circuit also found in the $8
grocery store protector. Same circuit. A $150 Monster Cable
protector also has that same circuit. By charging more money, the
naive (ie Christopher) somehow know Monster Cable must be better. The
naive never learn even Monster Cable has the same circuit found in an
$8 discount store protector.

Christopher Muto repeatedly makes subjective claims AND refuses to
post spec numbers. As long as he (and Bud) do not provide numbers,
then he cannot be exposed as technically ignorant. What number claims
protection? Christopher does not know. If Christopher posts a
number, then everyone would learn how technically uneducated he really
is. If that number existed, Christopher would have posted it long
ago. He posts no numbers because he does not know what any of those
numbers mean. He recommended a protector only because popular urban
myth recommends it.

In North America, APC and Tripplite reputations are similar to
Monster Cable. Companies that sell effective 'whole house' protectors
also have superior international reputations ... such as Intermatic,
General Electric, Siemens, Square D (Schneider Electric), Polyphaser,
Keison, Leviton, Cutler Hammer (Eaton), and others. These same
companies are famous for numerous, safe and reliable electrical
equipment such as junction boxes, connectors, circuit breakers,
electric monitoring equipment ... Brand names found in every new
building in North America. Only those companies also provide 'whole
house' protectors.

Why do telcos not use APC and Tripplite products? At 100 surges per
thunderstorm, telcos need protectors that connect spikes to earth AND
remain functional after every spike. Another characteristic of
effective protectors? The protector must remain functional after
diverting (the word used by Bud's NIST citation) spike energy into
earth. Effective protection means spike energy is dissipated
harmlessly in earth AND does not enter the building. Effective
protection means nobody knows the surge even existed.

Both Christopher and Bud post repeatedly and still will not provide
that spec number. As every responsible source notes, spikes must be
harmlessly dissipated in earth. US Air Force manuals also demand a
'whole house' protector and not plug-in protectors from less
responsible manufacturers such as APC and Tripplite. Like all telcos
all over the world, the US Air Force also requires effective
protection. Therefore the US Air Force states:
Install the surge protection as soon as practical where the
conductor enters the interior of the facility.

Also called a 'whole house' protector. Also not called an APC or
Tripplite product.

An effective protector connect a spike to earth. Since it does not
have that short earthing connection, how does the APC, Monster Cable,
Tripplite, or generic power strip stop spikes? Somehow it will stop a
spikes by absorbing all that energy. Well again, review those spec
numbers. A protector of hundreds of joules will absorb what three
kilometers of sky could not stop? That is also what Bud and
Christopher claim. No wonder both fear to post spec numbers.

But again, where is that manufacturer spec number that claims
protection from the typically destructive spikes? Both Bud and
Christopher refuse to provide that spec number. Neither APC nor
Tripplite make numeric protection claims. If they did, then
Christopher would have posted those numbers long ago. Christopher
cannot post 1) what does not exist and 2) what he does not understand.

Christopher recommended APC and Tripplite products anyway. He knows
those products cost more money; therefore must be better. The only
number he really understands. A protector is only as effective as its
earth ground. Effective spike protection connects massive spike
energy harmlessly into earth – as even the US Air Force demands.

Best protection for the laptop AND everything else in the building is
a properly earthed 'whole house' protector. Then protection inside
all appliances is not overwhelmed. A solution only provided by more
responsible companies - even required by all telcos and the US Air
Force.