half_pint wrote:
"guv" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:59:36 +0100, "half_pint"
wrote:
Then you have to consider the huge ammount of grief you will get from
CD's (burning problems, scratched disks, disks which won't work,
CD writers which wont work .....well read this group and you will
get the general idea).
No one I know that looks after their media has any problems. Probably
best not to use them as beer mats.
Tell me about it!! They are a pretty fragile media as is a cd burner,
one scratch or a spec of dust and its all fooked.
Solution. look after them!
Then there is the time cnsumed bburning your CDs, how would you
cost that? Several hundred pounds?
How much would you consume fitting all these HDs you would need to
buy? Burning a 4.7GB disc is hardly an issue. Even at 2x its only 30
mins. Go get yourself a 16x burner if you are counting seconds.
Not good for audio, even converting mp3 to.wav takes an age (on my
ancient
machine)
Eh? Is it the fault of DVDR media, that it takes ages to convert wavs
to mp3? Might that be the same process time storing to your HD?
I can play from mp3 on my pc, I won't buy a cd player (.wav) ever again
only mp3 playing devices, so I will never need to convert.
Then there is huge problem of storing, locateing, indexing of the
CDs.......
Why is it a huge problem? The 200GB hard drive you mention, is only 40
discs. Go by yourself a 200 disc folder and have the equivalent of 5
of your 200GB hard drives.
I have about 80 cdr's finding a file on one of them could take *hours*.
So use some catalogue indexing software. Or is the issue you cant find
the discs because they are all over the place?
Whatever I have tried alll that, its too much hassel and it
doesn't get done when you are in rush and it is a job in it self.
How many hours (days more like) will it take to catalogue 300 DVD?
And then you cannot reorganise your files as you can on a HDD
Now start working out the costs.
200 discs will cost you £48, plus £50 for the burner.
How much will 5 200GB hard drives cost you? How much storage option do
you get once they are full?
Oh I see I am talking about CD's not DVD's but the argurements are
the same except DVD burners are very expensive.
Very expensive? Best not shop at PC world then. They are available for
just over £30.
All you get from burnable media is grief and coasters.
You 300DVDs are 3 meters high and hardly portable!!
Your 300 DVDs hold 1,200GB of data. How many hard drives are you
buying? How are you going to connect them all?
I think burning media is a dying art, in 3 years time
a 200GB drive will be what? £20?
Oh ok guys. Wait for 3 years and all will be well.
Well I ws mainly talking about CD's but DVD have the same problems.
I cannot use my computer whilst burning and thats a problem.
So because you have an "ancient PC" that wont use burn protection,
that writes of DVDR as a media does it? I always do other things at
the same time I am burning and have yet to have one buffer underrun
through doing so.
Ah so I heed to add the cost of a new PC into the equation now?
Well thats another £500 minimum, mind you as it will have a HDD
inside I won't need to burn!!
If yours is so old that is doesn't have underrun protection then maybe it's
time to upgrade on general principle.
My older cd drive dont work anymore either (occasionally works).
Its just too much hassle.
Sounds reasonable to suggest you get a new CD drive then. ;-)
Well I find HHD's infinitely more reliable so I will invest my money
in that direction, incidently that is not the original CD drive, the
original failed within the first year and I got a free replacent. So in
My experience they are not very reliable (also have a failed
portable CD radio thing).
And whilst it *may* be my fault they failed, none of my
HDD's have ever had a single problem!!!
So the drives break. So what? When they break they don't lose your data.
LIfe is too shor to burn media!!!
Since a 52X burner will take a few short minutes, how is that too
short?
How long will it take you to find a file on 300 DVD's?
A month?
Nope. Seconds. They are all in keep cases (apart from the 2nd back up)
and on a shelf and clearly marked.
Seconds? you have to read 300 lists, you must be a quick and flawless
reader, like my PC find files function.
It is a major hassle manintaining allyou lists and puting the corect
CD in the correct box.
Why would he have to read 300 lists? Just find the file that he wants in
the master directory, pull the numbered case he wants off the shelf, he's
done.
Or do you assume that the only record he has of what's on each CD is a paper
list? If so, you have no idea how to use the computer that is sitting in
front of you. Keeping that kind of information and making it accessible is
what computers _do_.
Oh and another advantage is the fact my Hard drive doesnt fit in my
set top DVD player! ;-)
Yes but you don't need a set top DVD player as you can play
direct from your PC.
But now you need two, one in your workroom and one in the living room next
to the TV. Or you have to lug it back and forth. And how do you get the
data from one to the other? Now you have a network to worry about. And
given that you are too cheap to get yourself a five year old computer for
20 bucks that has enough gumption to support underrun protection I doubt
that you're going to pay for a second computer just to play videos on the
TV.
Oh, you don't have two rooms of your own? That would explain much.
I have a big box full of floppies, another full of CD's
do i want another full of DVD'S?
But all your floppies and CDS will fit on a couple of DVDRs so it
sounds like another box isnt necessary in your situation.
Dont think I would trust a CD or a DVD, wont take up
much space on a HDD though.
Until that disk crashes and you lose _all_ of it, not just one DVD worth.
You do have your drives mirrored or RAIDEd I presume? No? Well, I predict
that in a few weeks or months or years you're going to be one of those
pitiful twits who comes on here with "I lost all my data, how can I get it
back without it costing me anything". To which the answer is "You're
screwed buddy".
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