On Jan 7, 11:55*am, "John Novicki Jr" wrote:
Evidently,westom1, you are the idiot. *For the amount of time you have
spend spewing garbage in these forums, you should have gone and looked up
the answers, or called the companies.

How curious. Unlike you and Bud, I even designed these things. Since
you know plug-in protectors provide protection - somehow stops what
three miles of sky could not - then John could have provided those
numbers. No? Instead you insult? Insults mean you know without
first learning facts. Insults mean you don't really know.

Why do I ask for those spec numbers? Because I know those numbers
do not exist. But then I did this stuff even decades ago. Why do you
post insults? Once challlenged to prove your claim with numbers, you
cannot. Even the manufacturer does not make that protection claim.
So you can only insult.

Where are those manufacturer numbers that claim protection from
typically destructive surges? How does a protector without that short
connection to earth absorb energy that even three miles of sky could
not stop? Please - enlighten us without insults. What is that
energy number that claims to absorb destructive surges? How does that
'less than one inch' part stop what three miles of sky could not?

What does it say about you when you post insults AND do not provide
those spec numbers?

Christorpher Muto said:
generic 'power strips' do little if anything to protect computers.
Christopher's APC and Tripplite protectors contain the same
protection circuits AND provide the same protection numbers. What
does a $25 or $150 protector do that a $10 protector with the same
circuit cannot? It gets promoted by myths only because it is more
expensive?

Christopher also was asked to post that protection number. Since
Christopher did not even know which number defines protection, then he
had to avoid posting any numbers. He even claimed numbers were
mysterously hidden somewhere in a sales brochure. Eventually
Christopher had to do what John and Bud now do: post insults.

Effective protection means a protector connects short (ie 'less than
10 feet') to earth. From Bud's NIST citation:
A very important point to keep in mind is that your
surge protector will work by diverting the surges to
ground. The best surge protection in the world can
be useless if grounding is not done properly.

Without that short earthing connectioning, APC and Tripplite
protectors mean no effective protection. How does a laptop and
everything in a building get protected? Spend tens or 100 times less
money for effective solutions from responsible companies such as
Siemens, Leviton, Intermatic, General Electric, Square D, Keison,
Cutler-Hammer, etc. How curious. One who actually does this stuff
only lists responsible companies AND says WHY a 'whole hosue'
protector is used by every telco all over world world. Earthed
protectors were used by telcos even 100 years ago. Telcos do not use
plug-in protectors. Telcos need real world protection. A protector
is only as effective as its earth ground. Sources for effective
protectors even provided. But then someone here even designed this
stuff decades ago.