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Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here

Whatever happened to "unsubstantiated accusations"?

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From: smh
Subject: Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
Date: 3/4/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

... only makes inflammatory and
unsubstantiated accusations (especially at Adaptec) constantly -

Give one example of my "unsubstantiated accusations".
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Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

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Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec
lets loose in Usenet this utter trash.
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Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
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"Adrian Miller (cRoxio)" screamed (2/2/01):

Now, you are really showing your stupidity Sam. ECDC 3.5c is well documented
as causing total melt-down on Windows 2000 in many cases even with a special
patch that is no longer available. Without it, trashing the OS is almost
certain.

If you are stupid enough to follow Sam's advice in this matter I plead with
you to take a full system level backup first, as the likelihood that you
will have to re-format your hard drives is very high.

You forgot to mention that the use of 3.5c on Win 2k is in violation of
license agreement or something:

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From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 12/30/00

"Nil" wrote...

Adrian Miller said:

ECDC 3.5c was never supported on Windows 2000, we provided a method
to get it to work as a courtesy to Windows 2000 beta testers but
this was heavily abused resulting in a major mess when SP1 was
released and WMP7 was released, we withdrew the patch to prevent
things getting worse.

I found the procedure and the patches and all is working fine for me
again, as it has for the last 9 months. I plan to never install WMP7.

Please replace your software with newer versions such as ECDC 4.03.

No. Unless you would like to give me a copy or there is an inexpensive
upgrade.

The use of ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 was beta only and you were supposed
to use it only until purchasing ECDC 4.0x. The fact that you used it for
nine months instead of the one or two that you should have used it for
shows the type of abuse this beta patch was subjected to. The patch file
can only legally be obtained from Roxio, we withdrew it to prevent it
being abused further. If you have installed ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 do
not apply any Windows 2000 service packs as you system will not like it.

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From: Don Sterner
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 1/2/01

I may be getting forgetful in my old age, but I don't remember
anything being said earlier that use of ECDC on W2k was to be
considered as beta. Nor do I remember reading any time
limitations suggesting that it could only be used for a specific
length of time. I think everyone understood that full support for
ECDC 3.x wouldn't exist for W2K, and I don't think there was
really much loud complaining when ECDC3.x was never upgraded to
allow full function with W2K. However, to say that people were
abusing patches and violating user agreements is another matter
entirely.

I don't think anyone believed that they may have been in
violation of their license agreement by running ECDC3.x under
W2k. It is my recollection that ECDC3.x customers were told
essentially that they were free to use the limited functionality
that existed with W2K. I don't remember any restrictions
involving time or anything else. Unless my memory is failing me,
these usage restrictions have been developed more recently -
after the fact. The consumers knew that full support didn't
exist, but that was the extent of it. Nobody felt that they were
abusing anything.

On the other hand, this and other recent occurrences might have
some customers believing that they are being abused by Roxio. The
attitudes emanating from your company towards your customers will
be harmful to your corporate bottom line in the long run.
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( Note: The patch page referred to below was revised AFTER win2k )
( went Gold, and the word "beta" was never mentioned. )

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From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 1/3/01

It was not there in black and white, but it was implied and it did state
that it was for use during Windows 2000 beta testing. That can be taken
as meaning that it should not be used after the beta program finished at
the end of 1999.

The other problem is that this patch was widely abused without end user
knowledge. I have discovered many cases where companies supplied Windows
2000 machines using this patch to get ECDC 3.5c to work without
informing the end user that they were being supplied what later became a
time bomb when they installed WMP7.
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(Note 1: Don't see how WMP7 can be installed on Win2k when Ezcd 3
supposedly causes total "melt-down" of Win2k.)
(Note 2: There were no reports of WMP7 "bomb"-ing Ezcd 3.)
(Note 3: WMP7 "bomb"-ed Ezcd 4.)

Summary:

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as an avid reader of this NG, one thing you gotta admit is
Adrian's got balls. Either that or he's outta his mind!
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