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I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC.
New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... The drive itself has a "private" one-to-one cable. There is no Master or Slave notation at the drive level. The cable is not shared, as a ribbon cable is. The *controller* on the motherboard, in the Southbridge, has an IDE emulation mode. It maps up to four SATA drives, to INT 14 and INT 15, at particular I/O space addresses. This allows Windows 98 to be installed on a SATA computer, as if there were two ribbon cables and four IDE drives. Win98 is fooled into thinking those four SATA drives, are on ribbon cables. In the process of supporting such a mode, the *BIOS* will have labels on the screen, of Master and Slave, but they carry the same weight as having SATA port numbers 0,1,2,3,4,5. They're a form of enumeration, not a functional difference. You have nothing to worry about. While you may see the word "Master" or "Slave" on the screen, it basically means nothing. And there is no jumper to set. Jumpers exist on SATA drives for: 1) Force150 (make your drive work with a VIA 8237) 2) SpreadSpectrum (make your drive work with an older Macintosh) Check the disk drive manufacturer site, for additional jumper definitions. Those two would be popular on a Seagate drive. ******* Via a Port Multiplier box, it is possible to host five drives off one SATA Southbridge port. But I'm not aware what labeling scheme the software uses, if you do that. And how the drives get addressed. The Port Multiplier address field in the SATA protocol, probably supports up to 15 disks off a single SATA cable, but no hardware maker makes a chip using the entire space. Instead, a chip exists with a fan-out of five SATA drives. The notion of Master/Slave won't mean anything, in a situation like this. https://www.sata-io.org/port-multipliers This shows a port multiplier box, with five output cables (red), fed by a [not shown] cable plugged into the shiny bottom connector housing. https://i.stack.imgur.com/aAzWE.jpg Paul |
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On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Any belief worth having must survive doubt." |
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On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. |
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mike wrote:
On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. I'm beginning to suspect the model number is WD1600AVVS. It has all the earmarks of being bought to match a capacity point. It does 80MB/sec and has SATA II interface. Modern consumer SATA drives are SATA III and do 200MB/sec on the outer diameter of the drive. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1995652.pdf Knowing more about the application would not hurt. Paul |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
... Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... The drive itself has a "private" one-to-one cable. There is no Master or Slave notation at the drive level. The cable is not shared, as a ribbon cable is. The *controller* on the motherboard, in the Southbridge, has an IDE emulation mode. It maps up to four SATA drives, to INT 14 and INT 15, at particular I/O space addresses. This allows Windows 98 to be installed on a SATA computer, as if there were two ribbon cables and four IDE drives. Win98 is fooled into thinking those four SATA drives, are on ribbon cables. In the process of supporting such a mode, the *BIOS* will have labels on the screen, of Master and Slave, but they carry the same weight as having SATA port numbers 0,1,2,3,4,5. They're a form of enumeration, not a functional difference. You have nothing to worry about. While you may see the word "Master" or "Slave" on the screen, it basically means nothing. And there is no jumper to set. Jumpers exist on SATA drives for: 1) Force150 (make your drive work with a VIA 8237) 2) SpreadSpectrum (make your drive work with an older Macintosh) Check the disk drive manufacturer site, for additional jumper definitions. Those two would be popular on a Seagate drive. ******* Via a Port Multiplier box, it is possible to host five drives off one SATA Southbridge port. But I'm not aware what labeling scheme the software uses, if you do that. And how the drives get addressed. The Port Multiplier address field in the SATA protocol, probably supports up to 15 disks off a single SATA cable, but no hardware maker makes a chip using the entire space. Instead, a chip exists with a fan-out of five SATA drives. The notion of Master/Slave won't mean anything, in a situation like this. https://www.sata-io.org/port-multipliers This shows a port multiplier box, with five output cables (red), fed by a [not shown] cable plugged into the shiny bottom connector housing. https://i.stack.imgur.com/aAzWE.jpg Paul Thanks for your input. So I thought I was going to do the job today. I disconnected and removed the sick MAXTOR STM380211AS. What d'you think can go wrong when you order a SATA drive? Exactly: the small connector doesn't fit! :-(( The new drive has a block with two rows of 4 pins. I hadn't checked phisically beforehand wether the connectors were identical. I assumed SATA = SATA. Where do I go now? -- MV PC Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 mobo: Asus P5L-VM 1394 - CPU: DualCore Intel Pentium E2140, 1600 MHz (8 x 200) - RAM: 2 GB. - video: Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family (128 MB) - monitor: 19-inch Medion Akoya MD 20119 - sound: SB Audigy 1394 (PCI) - HD1: MAXTOR STM380211AS (80 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) - HD2: Seagate 160GB ST3160215ACE - DVD+RW/+R: LG GSA-H44N - printer: HP DeskJet 720C (parallel) - scanner: HP ScanJet 2200C (USB) - keyb: PS/2 MS Internet Keyboard - mouse: Logitech Pilot Wheel Mouse Optical (USB) - webcam: Logitech QuickCam Zoom (USB) - removables: Maxtor One Touch 120 GB (USB) - Medion 500 GB (USB) |
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"mike" schreef in bericht
... On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. The dying drive is SATA (specs below) I have IDE drives in the PC and also SATA drive. At the moment I gave cloned the sick SATA drive to the other IDE drive teporarily wirg Macrium Reflect. Bootibg is slow of course. -- MV PC Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 mobo: Asus P5L-VM 1394 - CPU: DualCore Intel Pentium E2140, 1600 MHz (8 x 200) - RAM: 2 GB. - video: Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family (128 MB) - monitor: 19-inch Medion Akoya MD 20119 - sound: SB Audigy 1394 (PCI) - HD1: MAXTOR STM380211AS (80 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) - HD2: Seagate 160GB ST3160215ACE - DVD+RW/+R: LG GSA-H44N - printer: HP DeskJet 720C (parallel) - scanner: HP ScanJet 2200C (USB) - keyb: PS/2 MS Internet Keyboard - mouse: Logitech Pilot Wheel Mouse Optical (USB) - webcam: Logitech QuickCam Zoom (USB) - removables: Maxtor One Touch 120 GB (USB) - Medion 500 GB (USB) |
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On 01/07/2017 07:30 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... The drive itself has a "private" one-to-one cable. There is no Master or Slave notation at the drive level. The cable is not shared, as a ribbon cable is. The *controller* on the motherboard, in the Southbridge, has an IDE emulation mode. It maps up to four SATA drives, to INT 14 and INT 15, at particular I/O space addresses. This allows Windows 98 to be installed on a SATA computer, as if there were two ribbon cables and four IDE drives. Win98 is fooled into thinking those four SATA drives, are on ribbon cables. In the process of supporting such a mode, the *BIOS* will have labels on the screen, of Master and Slave, but they carry the same weight as having SATA port numbers 0,1,2,3,4,5. They're a form of enumeration, not a functional difference. You have nothing to worry about. While you may see the word "Master" or "Slave" on the screen, it basically means nothing. And there is no jumper to set. Jumpers exist on SATA drives for: 1) Force150 (make your drive work with a VIA 8237) 2) SpreadSpectrum (make your drive work with an older Macintosh) Check the disk drive manufacturer site, for additional jumper definitions. Those two would be popular on a Seagate drive. ******* Via a Port Multiplier box, it is possible to host five drives off one SATA Southbridge port. But I'm not aware what labeling scheme the software uses, if you do that. And how the drives get addressed. The Port Multiplier address field in the SATA protocol, probably supports up to 15 disks off a single SATA cable, but no hardware maker makes a chip using the entire space. Instead, a chip exists with a fan-out of five SATA drives. The notion of Master/Slave won't mean anything, in a situation like this. https://www.sata-io.org/port-multipliers This shows a port multiplier box, with five output cables (red), fed by a [not shown] cable plugged into the shiny bottom connector housing. https://i.stack.imgur.com/aAzWE.jpg Thanks for your input. So I thought I was going to do the job today. I disconnected and removed the sick MAXTOR STM380211AS. What d'you think can go wrong when you order a SATA drive? Exactly: the small connector doesn't fit! :-(( The new drive has a block with two rows of 4 pins. I hadn't checked phisically beforehand wether the connectors were identical. I assumed SATA = SATA. Where do I go now? I found a picture on line of that WD drive: http://www.tunisianet.com.tn/32564-l...tal-160-go.jpg I do see a block of two rows of 4 pins, but that is for jumpers -- perhaps for limiting the speed to suit older SATA controllers (some of my older Seagate SATA drives came with that jumper installed) or for testing purposes. The power and data connectors are to the left of that jumper block. Perce |
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