Asus P9X79 four short beeps
It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post
I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing. But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something. So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus. Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS, and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change. In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked. (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks. It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now. I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On Tue, 1 May 2018 12:13:44 -0500, Bill Anderson
wrote: It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing. But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something. So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus. Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS, and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change. In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked. (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks. It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now. I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Either one or more of the sticks were badly seated or you have bad RAM. Since it's usually an intermittent problem, I'd run Memtest ASAP. Let it run overnight. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing. But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something. So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus. Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS, and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change. In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked. (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks. It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now. I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Memory is detected two ways at BIOS level. 1) Read config info from SPD PROM on each DIMM. 2) Once the BIOS knows a DIMM is present, it uses "peek & poke" testing to prove "a RAM is a RAM" and that it can actually store stuff. One of the "proof cases" for this, was the day when some brand of DIMMs, had the wrong SPD chip soldered to them. The DIMM may have declared it had 256MB on it, when the physical chips were 128MB. The BIOS (correctly) did "peek & poke" and measured 128MB, and the system started just fine and ran with the reduced amount of memory. Because in fact, that's all the physical memory that was present on the stick. This issue seemed to first show up on triple channel memory. Maybe a 12GB system would be detected as an 8GB system. At first, people might have tried blaming a "socket contact" issue for the problem. Then later, people started randomly adjusting the IMC or VNorthbridge. And then there were claims that this was "fixing it". I don't know if I've ever seen a company web site (Asus or Intel) making claims as to why this happens. When the OS is running, hardware identification software continues to have access to the SPD and can then claim that 32GB are "installed", even if the BIOS has tested and chosen to only use a subset, because "peek & poke" is failing. "Peek & poke" is a quick check of memory presence and does not represent a full memory test. That may come later in the POST, if the user has enabled it. ******* And yes, doing some memtest is a good idea. Between that, and something like Prime95, you'll get a better idea whether it's really working properly or not. Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/1/2018 12:42 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 May 2018 12:13:44 -0500, Bill Anderson wrote: It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing. But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something. So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus. Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS, and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change. In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked. (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks. It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now. I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Either one or more of the sticks were badly seated or you have bad RAM. Since it's usually an intermittent problem, I'd run Memtest ASAP. Let it run overnight. []'s I'm thinking three of the sticks, or maybe just one, affecting the others, somehow became unseated. Maybe fluctuations in temperature over time caused it, I dunno. I certainly hadn't been in there bumping around. I learned there's a technique to seating the sticks on the P9X79. Most memory slots I've seen over the years have locking levers on both ends, but the P9X79 has a lock on only one end, with a passive slotted block on the other. To get things seated, I had to press the stick firmly in the slotted block end and then press hard on the locking end to snap the stick in place. Pressing evenly across the stick seemed not to work as well. I did run one full pass of Memtest and saw no errors. Maybe I'll let it run all night as you suggest, but I've found if there are going to be Memtest errors, they'll pop up long before one full pass is completed. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/1/2018 12:59 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing.Â* But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something.Â* So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus.Â* Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS,Â* and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change.Â* In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked.Â* (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks.Â* It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now.Â* I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Memory is detected two ways at BIOS level. 1) Read config info from SPD PROM on each DIMM. 2) Once the BIOS knows a DIMM is present, it uses "peek & poke" Â*Â* testing to prove "a RAM is a RAM" and that it can actually Â*Â* store stuff. One of the "proof cases" for this, was the day when some brand of DIMMs, had the wrong SPD chip soldered to them. The DIMM may have declared it had 256MB on it, when the physical chips were 128MB. The BIOS (correctly) did "peek & poke" and measured 128MB, and the system started just fine and ran with the reduced amount of memory. Because in fact, that's all the physical memory that was present on the stick. This issue seemed to first show up on triple channel memory. Maybe a 12GB system would be detected as an 8GB system. At first, people might have tried blaming a "socket contact" issue for the problem. Then later, people started randomly adjusting the IMC or VNorthbridge. And then there were claims that this was "fixing it". I don't know if I've ever seen a company web site (Asus or Intel) making claims as to why this happens. When the OS is running, hardware identification software continues to have access to the SPD and can then claim that 32GB are "installed", even if the BIOS has tested and chosen to only use a subset, because "peek & poke" is failing. "Peek & poke" is a quick check of memory presence and does not represent a full memory test. That may come later in the POST, if the user has enabled it. ******* And yes, doing some memtest is a good idea. Between that, and something like Prime95, you'll get a better idea whether it's really working properly or not. Â*Â* Paul I think re-seating the memory sticks was what I needed to do. BIOS is showing 32 gigs of RAM now and so is Win10. I think you must be right about how software might see the RAM sticks when BIOS couldn't. It's always something. Thanks, Paul. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/1/2018 12:59 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing.Â* But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something.Â* So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus.Â* Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS,Â* and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change.Â* In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked.Â* (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks.Â* It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now.Â* I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Memory is detected two ways at BIOS level. 1) Read config info from SPD PROM on each DIMM. 2) Once the BIOS knows a DIMM is present, it uses "peek & poke" Â*Â* testing to prove "a RAM is a RAM" and that it can actually Â*Â* store stuff. One of the "proof cases" for this, was the day when some brand of DIMMs, had the wrong SPD chip soldered to them. The DIMM may have declared it had 256MB on it, when the physical chips were 128MB. The BIOS (correctly) did "peek & poke" and measured 128MB, and the system started just fine and ran with the reduced amount of memory. Because in fact, that's all the physical memory that was present on the stick. This issue seemed to first show up on triple channel memory. Maybe a 12GB system would be detected as an 8GB system. At first, people might have tried blaming a "socket contact" issue for the problem. Then later, people started randomly adjusting the IMC or VNorthbridge. And then there were claims that this was "fixing it". I don't know if I've ever seen a company web site (Asus or Intel) making claims as to why this happens. When the OS is running, hardware identification software continues to have access to the SPD and can then claim that 32GB are "installed", even if the BIOS has tested and chosen to only use a subset, because "peek & poke" is failing. "Peek & poke" is a quick check of memory presence and does not represent a full memory test. That may come later in the POST, if the user has enabled it. ******* And yes, doing some memtest is a good idea. Between that, and something like Prime95, you'll get a better idea whether it's really working properly or not. Â*Â* Paul I wrote a long post explaining I still have the problem, then I had a bright idea about how to test, and now I still have the problem only my testing has shown it isn't exactly what I thought it was. Got that? So I've deleted the draft of my earlier post, and now I'll try to keep this as short as possible: 1) I could boot and Windows was seeing all 32 gigabytes of RAM, four 8-gig sticks in four slots. 2) If I shut down and immediately rebooted (not a restart - a full shutdown and reboot) I'd get the four beeps before POST error. A simple restart was no problem. Booting from a full shutdown was the problem. 3) If I waited like 10-15 minutes after a full shutdown I could reboot and everything would be back to normal -- Windows seeing all 32 gigs of RAM. 4) I decided to test each memory stick, so I pulled all but the one in slot D1 (the slot for single sticks) and booted and shut down and rebooted and no problem 5) Tested another stick the same way -- boot, shut down, reboot. No problem. 6) Tested a third stick -- oops! Four beeps on reboot. Wait a while and boot easily. Reboot and -- four beeps. So I set this stick aside. 7) Tested the fourth stick -- no problem. 8) Tested the suspect stick again -- boot once, OK. Second time -- four beep error. 9) Aha! I've found the culprit. Right? 10) Put one good stick in slot D1. Boots fine. 11) Put a second stick in slot B1 as shown in the manual. Boots fine. But...what's this? BIOS is showing only 8 gigs of RAM. 12) Reset stick in slot B1. No go. And again. And again. And let's try the other good stick. No go. Still only 8 gigs of RAM. I should be seeing 16 gigabytes of RAM but I'm getting nothing out of slot B1. Remember -- when I started this test I was seeing 32 gigs, so B1 must have been working then. But not now. So here I am running my system (nicely, I suppose) with one 8-gig stick of RAM installed. And I'm thinking my Asus P9X79 MBO is going bad. Is that what you're thinking? -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Forgot to mention I ran Memtest on all 32 gigs for six hours last night
and there were no errors. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/1/2018 12:59 PM, Paul wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: It began happening a few weeks ago -- I'd try to boot but before post I'd hear four short beeps followed by the post chirp (different sound) and then nothing. But it was an intermittent problem and I let it go when rebooting seemed to solve things. Then yesterday the problem stuck around through several attempted reboots and I figured I'd better do something. So I looked up the error beep table on the Asus website and found nothing about four short beeps. Thanks, Asus. Then I branched out and learned Asus uses American Megatrends' AMI BIOS, and that four beeps mean System Timer Failure, which further means something's wrong with memory. That was when I actually looked at BIOS to see how much memory I had and I learned my four 8-gig memory sticks were producing not 32 gigs of memory, but just 8 and change. In other words, only one stick was working. So just now I removed all the memory and began replacing sticks one at a time. At first I couldn't get past the four beeps, but I kept replacing sticks in the D1 slot until one worked. (The manual says to put a single stick in D1.) Then I put a stick in B1 as shown in the manual and went right back to the four error beeps. But I persevered, removing and re-inserting, and eventually I had two working, then four, and now I'm booting nicely and BIOS shows total memory at 32 gigs and change. Funny things was -- the AIDA 64 Extreme system monitor software always showed four slots filled with 8-gig sticks. It saw them when BIOS didn't. Weird. But things are fine now. I think. Maybe I oughta run Memtest just to be sure... Memory is detected two ways at BIOS level. 1) Read config info from SPD PROM on each DIMM. 2) Once the BIOS knows a DIMM is present, it uses "peek & poke" testing to prove "a RAM is a RAM" and that it can actually store stuff. One of the "proof cases" for this, was the day when some brand of DIMMs, had the wrong SPD chip soldered to them. The DIMM may have declared it had 256MB on it, when the physical chips were 128MB. The BIOS (correctly) did "peek & poke" and measured 128MB, and the system started just fine and ran with the reduced amount of memory. Because in fact, that's all the physical memory that was present on the stick. This issue seemed to first show up on triple channel memory. Maybe a 12GB system would be detected as an 8GB system. At first, people might have tried blaming a "socket contact" issue for the problem. Then later, people started randomly adjusting the IMC or VNorthbridge. And then there were claims that this was "fixing it". I don't know if I've ever seen a company web site (Asus or Intel) making claims as to why this happens. When the OS is running, hardware identification software continues to have access to the SPD and can then claim that 32GB are "installed", even if the BIOS has tested and chosen to only use a subset, because "peek & poke" is failing. "Peek & poke" is a quick check of memory presence and does not represent a full memory test. That may come later in the POST, if the user has enabled it. ******* And yes, doing some memtest is a good idea. Between that, and something like Prime95, you'll get a better idea whether it's really working properly or not. Paul I wrote a long post explaining I still have the problem, then I had a bright idea about how to test, and now I still have the problem only my testing has shown it isn't exactly what I thought it was. Got that? So I've deleted the draft of my earlier post, and now I'll try to keep this as short as possible: 1) I could boot and Windows was seeing all 32 gigabytes of RAM, four 8-gig sticks in four slots. 2) If I shut down and immediately rebooted (not a restart - a full shutdown and reboot) I'd get the four beeps before POST error. A simple restart was no problem. Booting from a full shutdown was the problem. 3) If I waited like 10-15 minutes after a full shutdown I could reboot and everything would be back to normal -- Windows seeing all 32 gigs of RAM. 4) I decided to test each memory stick, so I pulled all but the one in slot D1 (the slot for single sticks) and booted and shut down and rebooted and no problem 5) Tested another stick the same way -- boot, shut down, reboot. No problem. 6) Tested a third stick -- oops! Four beeps on reboot. Wait a while and boot easily. Reboot and -- four beeps. So I set this stick aside. 7) Tested the fourth stick -- no problem. 8) Tested the suspect stick again -- boot once, OK. Second time -- four beep error. 9) Aha! I've found the culprit. Right? 10) Put one good stick in slot D1. Boots fine. 11) Put a second stick in slot B1 as shown in the manual. Boots fine. But...what's this? BIOS is showing only 8 gigs of RAM. 12) Reset stick in slot B1. No go. And again. And again. And let's try the other good stick. No go. Still only 8 gigs of RAM. I should be seeing 16 gigabytes of RAM but I'm getting nothing out of slot B1. Remember -- when I started this test I was seeing 32 gigs, so B1 must have been working then. But not now. So here I am running my system (nicely, I suppose) with one 8-gig stick of RAM installed. And I'm thinking my Asus P9X79 MBO is going bad. Is that what you're thinking? The memory controller is inside the processor itself. The motherboard contributes power regulators. VDimm Vtt (terminator) VNorthbridge (powers IMC, uncore) The motherboard also contributes copper tracks. The sockets all have to make contact. It's very hard to determine a root cause in this particular case, by testing one combination after another of DIMMs. This is how the first wave of testing concluded it was the CPU socket was at fault. And you can tell from your testing, that's not likely to be the case. If a contact was truly flaky, you'd expect to have the CPU "crash" in the middle of a session. And that's not happening. Notice how it's always an orderly BIOS issue. While I might look at the VNorthbridge, and adjust it one notch, it's up to you to decide what to test next, due to the large number of variables, and the possibility of disturbing something while going from one test setup to the next. When I had a stick on a previous set of RAM start to throw errors, one or two notches on VNorthbridge fixed it (on a X48 Northbridge). The regulators have a fairly fine gradation, so we're not talking about a very large voltage change here. It's a good thing that previous motherboards here were rather lacking in voltage adjustments, but at the same time, they didn't have RAM problems like these 2channel boards do. Both 3 channel and 4 channel processors have exhibited this problem. There have been older boards, where somebody at the factory didn't test the memory map when "full". One board, if you installed 4GB (its max), the USB ports would indicate "overcurrent", which means that the process of setting up the memory, was splattering some control bits in a USB register. Which means the memory map wasn't planned properly by the BIOS. You could also consider examining the voltage controls on your board, just to make sure there wasn't a BIOS settings corruption at the heart of this. And that the voltage regulators are *undervolted*. Usually the boards have a color scheme, with green (normal), amber (slight boost), red (might be getting close to a hardware limit). But undervolt would be below green in a sense. If the BIOS is well designed, the "default" value or factory value should be shown in a different color, so you know what the normal value is. Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
Forgot to mention I ran Memtest on all 32 gigs for six hours last night and there were no errors. So it's probably not the RAM itself. Something about the processor and its built-in memory controller. Or the voltage regulators that power the various parts there. Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/3/2018 12:15 AM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: Forgot to mention I ran Memtest on all 32 gigs for six hours last night and there were no errors. So it's probably not the RAM itself. Something about the processor and its built-in memory controller. Or the voltage regulators that power the various parts there. Â*Â* Paul I think you put me on the right path in your previous message, Paul, and once again I thank you. I've adjusted things in BIOS and reinstalled all four RAM sticks and I'm showing 32 gigs of healthy memory and the system has been booting flawlessly from shut-down state. All I did was go to the memory adjustments in BIOS and try to make everything as untweaked as possible. Here's how things look now: https://goo.gl/D3x3L7 All this overclocking tweaking stuff is too much for me to even want to figure out. I do remember a few years back trying to tweak timings and so forth, based on advice I'd either read on the internet or that you'd given me. I just don't remember. Whatever, It had all been working fine up until recently and I'd given it no more thought. Something must have goosed BIOS, I dunno. It certainly wasn't me. Maybe now I can stop thinking about it again. Of course things may all go south any time, but right now I'm feeling pretty good about my current setup and I've stopped looking at the latest and greatest Asus motherboards and Intel i7 processors. Boy, you can spend a lot of money on that stuff... Thanks again. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/3/2018 7:34 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/3/2018 12:15 AM, Paul wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: Forgot to mention I ran Memtest on all 32 gigs for six hours last night and there were no errors. So it's probably not the RAM itself. Something about the processor and its built-in memory controller. Or the voltage regulators that power the various parts there. Â*Â*Â* Paul I think you put me on the right path in your previous message, Paul, and once again I thank you.Â* I've adjusted things in BIOS and reinstalled all four RAM sticks and I'm showing 32 gigs of healthy memory and the system has been booting flawlessly from shut-down state.Â* All I did was go to the memory adjustments in BIOS and try to make everything as untweaked as possible.Â* Here's how things look now: https://goo.gl/D3x3L7 All this overclocking tweaking stuff is too much for me to even want to figure out.Â* I do remember a few years back trying to tweak timings and so forth, based on advice I'd either read on the internet or that you'd given me.Â* I just don't remember.Â* Whatever, It had all been working fine up until recently and I'd given it no more thought.Â* Something must have goosed BIOS, I dunno.Â* It certainly wasn't me.Â* Maybe now I can stop thinking about it again. Of course things may all go south any time, but right now I'm feeling pretty good about my current setup and I've stopped looking at the latest and greatest Asus motherboards and Intel i7 processors.Â* Boy, you can spend a lot of money on that stuff... Thanks again. And within 20 minutes of posting that I was back to the four beeps again. I'm tired of this. My current build will be six years old in September. It's time. First step is an inventory of everything I have hanging off the P9X79. I'll want to use as much of it as possible. But maybe my new MBO could have more SATA III ports than the P9X79? I've had to get a PCIE card to give me more SATA III ports. And I'd like USB3 internal blocks for USB ports on the front of my case. And I'd like to keep using my NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 liquid CPU cooler, but apparently the only Intel processors it supports are 2011 /1366 /1156 /1155 /1150. Maybe there's an adapter. If not, I'll have to get a new cooler, and I like the Kraken so much -- it's quiet and solved my overheating problem -- I'll probably want to get one that fits whatever new processor I come up with. Let's see what I have in each of the P9X79's slots: PCIEX16_1 slot Silverstone PCI Express Card with USB 3.0 Internal Connector Shouldn't need this if new MBO has internal USB 3.0 connection for front panel PCIEX1_1 slot Hauppauge Colossus video capture card I'll need this in the new build PCIEX1_2 slot ATI Theater 650 Video Card It's a TV tuner card I'm no longer using. Guess I oughta pull it out. PCIEX16_2 slot GEFORCE GTX970 Video Card PCI1 slot Unoccupied as the video card covers it up PCIEX16_3 StarTech 2 Port SATA 6 Gbps PCI Express SATA Controller Card Shouldn't need this in new build if the MBO has plenty of SATA6 ports. So what to get? This looks good, but expensive, ASUS PRIME X299-DELUXE https://goo.gl/iWZhQY It's got seven SATA 6 ports and it has one USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel connector port. Plus lots more USB. It'll work with this processor, i7 Core X https://goo.gl/kagSsV And of course there's RAM. I'm thinking my 32 gigs of DDR3 was overkill. Maybe 16 gigs for this one? A couple of these Corsair Vengeance sticks? https://goo.gl/NmfLRT I want power for video editing, not so much for gaming, though the Oculus Prime VR device looked interesting and I was disappointed when I ran the routine to check my P9X79 and I learned I didn't have a processor powerful enough. It's an i7 for heaven's sake! I confess I'm at a loss about what I should do. I wouldn't even be thinking about a new build if my P9X79 were dependable, but it's going flaky and I don't want to mess around with it. I want a computer that works. Other ideas? -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/3/2018 12:15 AM, Paul wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: Forgot to mention I ran Memtest on all 32 gigs for six hours last night and there were no errors. So it's probably not the RAM itself. Something about the processor and its built-in memory controller. Or the voltage regulators that power the various parts there. Paul I think you put me on the right path in your previous message, Paul, and once again I thank you. I've adjusted things in BIOS and reinstalled all four RAM sticks and I'm showing 32 gigs of healthy memory and the system has been booting flawlessly from shut-down state. All I did was go to the memory adjustments in BIOS and try to make everything as untweaked as possible. Here's how things look now: https://goo.gl/D3x3L7 All this overclocking tweaking stuff is too much for me to even want to figure out. I do remember a few years back trying to tweak timings and so forth, based on advice I'd either read on the internet or that you'd given me. I just don't remember. Whatever, It had all been working fine up until recently and I'd given it no more thought. Something must have goosed BIOS, I dunno. It certainly wasn't me. Maybe now I can stop thinking about it again. Of course things may all go south any time, but right now I'm feeling pretty good about my current setup and I've stopped looking at the latest and greatest Asus motherboards and Intel i7 processors. Boy, you can spend a lot of money on that stuff... Thanks again. Scroll down a bit further and check the other values ? https://s18.postimg.cc/d2udxby2h/my_machine_p9x79.gif Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/4/2018 1:23 AM, Paul wrote: LGA2066 4 channel X299 LGA2066 V1 via DMI V3 Lane 2066 Core i9 i9-7900X(U0) Skylake-X 3.3GHz 13.75MB 140W 44 ******* RAMCH PCIE AVX512 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz) $ 989 4 44 I'm curious what you think of the "high-end" build on this page. https://www.custompcreview.com/compu...ing-pc-builds/ It uses the Asus MBO I like and the i97900X you show above is "only" $899.99 at Newegg. The killer for me is the price of the RAM. If I go this route I'll probably start with a quarter, possibly half the RAM recommended. But I'm thinking seriously about purchasing the MBO and CPU they recommend, some of the RAM, and whatever else I need from the rest. This would be expensive. And what makes it worse is that my current system is behaving itself most of the time today. Don't know how long that will last, though. Thoughts? CPU Intel Core i9-7900X ~$989 4 channel CPU, use 4 DIMMs minimum Motherboard ASUS PRIME X299-Deluxe LGA 2066 as you'd expect, $$$ Memory 64GB Kingston HyperX FURY 2133MHz (4x16GB) Kit === could replace with 4x4GB DIMMs GPU PNY Nvidia Quadro P6000 24GB ~$4500.00 !!! === certified OpenGL support $$$ Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Boot Drive Samsung 850 PRO 1TB SSD === probably the last 850 Pro (MLC) still in stock, 256/512 gone Storage Drive Western Digital Caviar Black 4TB Optical Drive ASUS Blu-Ray Writer PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G3 CPU Cooler Corsair H100i v2 Operating System Windows 10 Home 64-Bit === Cheapskates! This should use Pro. That video card choice totally swamps out any notion of "cost savings". I generally try to track down what the "desktop" equivalent of the card is. In this case, it would be a Titan X (~$1200 original price). The difference is, the "certified OpenGL support" is for CAD software, and the card ends up with "business" pricing to go along with the "professional" creds of the card. The Titan X also has half the VRAM, but really "12GB is the same as 24GB" for all except the most extreme applications. SimCity doesn't need 12GB. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-q...ng-benchmarks/ If you were Bill Gates, that would be a great system. So when I click the button, it goes to Amazon, and is "sans video card" ??? If so, you'd probably want to do a few edits in the parts list. The motherboard is $500 class. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16813132990R You could go crazy with the RAM in terms of speed... but read the reviews. G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 $257 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820231980 Pros: Looks nice. Cons: Did not hold stock clocks or timings. When it would hold them, it required such High VSA and VCCIO that the CPU was under threat. Would only load past the windows logo once every 10+ boots during these moments of testing. Spreaders conflict with larger, say 135mm, CPU heatsink fans. Your build is using a water cooler for the CPU, so it doesn't matter how tall the heat spreaders are. The hose barbs and tubing have to be routed so they don't conflict with RAM or something. These other ones, the five reviews seem to be better for some reason, perhaps because they were testing with a different CPU type ? It's hard to find ordinary DIMMs that actually claim to be tested with X299 (for whatever that is worth - the machine should really work with any DDR4 you select). The reason for selecting this, is the hope the XMP profile works to save on the need for "tuning". https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820231907 $238.99 This is easily a $2000 build, just quickly doing a few sums in my head. And say, reusing your video card. A $500 motherboard, a $1000 CPU, $250 for RAM, a bit more other junk, and so on. The CPU liquid cooler probably costs a few bucks. But is going to be more friendly than putting a huge Noctua air cooler in there. I had to seat the DIMMs on my system, using a "pusher stick" made of wood, to snap the DIMMs into place. A water cooler leaves a lot more room (although it doesn't give any blowdown cooling or anything, for motherboard components). You might want to check the temps on the VCore regulator during your build/test. When Prime95 is running (non-AVX version). Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/5/2018 1:12 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: On 5/4/2018 1:23 AM, Paul wrote: LGA2066 4 channel X299Â* LGA2066 V1Â* via DMI V3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Lane Â*Â*Â*Â* 2066 Core i9 i9-7900X(U0)Â* Skylake-XÂ*Â* 3.3GHz 13.75MB 140WÂ*Â*Â* 44 ******* RAMCH PCIEÂ* AVX512 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz)Â* $ 989 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 I'm curious what you think of the "high-end" build on this page. https://www.custompcreview.com/compu...ing-pc-builds/ It uses the Asus MBO I like and the i97900X you show above is "only" $899.99 at Newegg.Â* The killer for me is the price of the RAM.Â* If I go this route I'll probably start with a quarter, possibly half the RAM recommended.Â* But I'm thinking seriously about purchasing the MBO and CPU they recommend, some of the RAM, and whatever else I need from the rest. This would be expensive.Â* And what makes it worse is that my current system is behaving itself most of the time today.Â* Don't know how long that will last, though. Thoughts? CPUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Intel Core i9-7900XÂ*Â* ~$989Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 4 channel CPU, use 4 DIMMs minimum MotherboardÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ASUS PRIME X299-Deluxe LGA 2066Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* as you'd expect, $$$ MemoryÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 64GB Kingston HyperX FURY 2133MHz (4x16GB) KitÂ* === could replace with 4x4GB DIMMs GPUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* PNY Nvidia Quadro P6000 24GBÂ*Â* ~$4500.00 !!!Â*Â*Â* === certified OpenGL support $$$ CaseÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Corsair Obsidian 750D Boot DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Samsung 850 PRO 1TB SSDÂ* === probably the last 850 Pro (MLC) still in stock, 256/512 gone Storage DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â* Western Digital Caviar Black 4TB Optical DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â* ASUS Blu-Ray Writer PSUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G3 CPU CoolerÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Corsair H100i v2 Operating SystemÂ* Windows 10 Home 64-Bit === Cheapskates! This should use Pro. That video card choice totally swamps out any notion of "cost savings". I generally try to track down what the "desktop" equivalent of the card is. In this case, it would be a Titan X (~$1200 original price). The difference is, the "certified OpenGL support" is for CAD software, and the card ends up with "business" pricing to go along with the "professional" creds of the card. The Titan X also has half the VRAM, but really "12GB is the same as 24GB" for all except the most extreme applications. SimCity doesn't need 12GB. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-q...ng-benchmarks/ If you were Bill Gates, that would be a great system. So when I click the button, it goes to Amazon, and is "sans video card" ??? If so, you'd probably want to do a few edits in the parts list. The motherboard is $500 class. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16813132990R You could go crazy with the RAM in terms of speed... but read the reviews. G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600Â* $257 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820231980 Â* Pros: Looks nice. Â* Cons: Did not hold stock clocks or timings. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* When it would hold them, it required such High VSA and VCCIO Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* that the CPU was under threat. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Would only load past the windows logo once every 10+ boots Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* during these moments of testing. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Spreaders conflict with larger, say 135mm, CPU heatsink fans. Your build is using a water cooler for the CPU, so it doesn't matter how tall the heat spreaders are. The hose barbs and tubing have to be routed so they don't conflict with RAM or something. These other ones, the five reviews seem to be better for some reason, perhaps because they were testing with a different CPU type ? It's hard to find ordinary DIMMs that actually claim to be tested with X299 (for whatever that is worth - the machine should really work with any DDR4 you select). The reason for selecting this, is the hope the XMP profile works to save on the need for "tuning". https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20231907Â*Â*Â* $238.99 This is easily a $2000 build, just quickly doing a few sums in my head. And say, reusing your video card. A $500 motherboard, a $1000 CPU, $250 for RAM, a bit more other junk, and so on. The CPU liquid cooler probably costs a few bucks. But is going to be more friendly than putting a huge Noctua air cooler in there. I had to seat the DIMMs on my system, using a "pusher stick" made of wood, to snap the DIMMs into place. A water cooler leaves a lot more room (although it doesn't give any blowdown cooling or anything, for motherboard components). You might want to check the temps on the VCore regulator during your build/test. When Prime95 is running (non-AVX version). Â*Â* Paul Heh, I didn't price the GPU because I planned to use the one I have. And yes, I figured about $2K, which I can swing, but which I don't want to do if I don't have to. I hadn't even looked at the price of the GPU. Holy moly. I've spent the bulk of today working on (OK, playing around with) my P9X79 computer. I have a dual boot system and I wanted to upgrade my secondary OS with the latest version of Win10, a clean install. A digression: I downloaded the new (this week) Win10 ISO and installed it clean in a small partition I use for my secondary OS. Pretty soon it was telling me it needed some "updates." Well, where the initial installation took about 20 minutes, the "updates" took over an hour, but now I have an installation of Win10 version 1803, OS Build 17134.1. And now that I look, I see my main OS installation is Version 1709, Build 16299.371. And I thought I'd successfully updated it to the Spring 2018 version earlier this week. Sometimes Windows puzzles me. My main point, though, is that throughout today I've heard the four-beep error message only once, and that was when I'd disconnected my main boot drive (an SSD that holds the OS and all applications) in order to prevent Win10 from spotting it while installing my secondary OS on another drive. (I hate dealing the with boot manager, and this way it never gets triggered.) But all I had to do was power down and then power up again and I heard the Post beep and I was in business for the rest of the day. As I've mentioned in earlier posts, a simple reboot never triggers the error beeps. The system has to shut down -- fans off -- before a reboot triggers the error. And the other day that was happening regularly. Every time I'd exit BIOS the system would completely power down, pause a few seconds, and then power up again, triggering the error. Today that hasn't happened once, I transition smoothly from BIOS into OS boot and I've been in and out of BIOS a number of times. So...I'm not going to buy a new system as long as this one keeps behaving. But if things go south again anytime soon, I really believe I'll get the board and the processor mentioned above, and some of the RAM, and as for that $4500 GPU...ha ha. Thanks for following up. I'm going to take a deep breath now and wait to see if my problems recur anytime soon. I'm hoping I just might be able to escape this with few injuries to my wallet. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/5/2018 7:29 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/5/2018 1:12 PM, Paul wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: On 5/4/2018 1:23 AM, Paul wrote: LGA2066 4 channel X299Â* LGA2066 V1Â* via DMI V3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Lane Â*Â*Â*Â* 2066 Core i9 i9-7900X(U0)Â* Skylake-XÂ*Â* 3.3GHz 13.75MB 140WÂ*Â*Â* 44 ******* RAMCH PCIEÂ* AVX512 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz)Â* $ 989 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 I'm curious what you think of the "high-end" build on this page. https://www.custompcreview.com/compu...ing-pc-builds/ It uses the Asus MBO I like and the i97900X you show above is "only" $899.99 at Newegg.Â* The killer for me is the price of the RAM.Â* If I go this route I'll probably start with a quarter, possibly half the RAM recommended.Â* But I'm thinking seriously about purchasing the MBO and CPU they recommend, some of the RAM, and whatever else I need from the rest. This would be expensive.Â* And what makes it worse is that my current system is behaving itself most of the time today.Â* Don't know how long that will last, though. Thoughts? CPUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Intel Core i9-7900XÂ*Â* ~$989Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 4 channel CPU, use 4 DIMMs minimum MotherboardÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ASUS PRIME X299-Deluxe LGA 2066Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* as you'd expect, $$$ MemoryÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 64GB Kingston HyperX FURY 2133MHz (4x16GB) KitÂ* === could replace with 4x4GB DIMMs GPUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* PNY Nvidia Quadro P6000 24GBÂ*Â* ~$4500.00 !!!Â*Â*Â* === certified OpenGL support $$$ CaseÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Corsair Obsidian 750D Boot DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Samsung 850 PRO 1TB SSDÂ* === probably the last 850 Pro (MLC) still in stock, 256/512 gone Storage DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â* Western Digital Caviar Black 4TB Optical DriveÂ*Â*Â*Â* ASUS Blu-Ray Writer PSUÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G3 CPU CoolerÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Corsair H100i v2 Operating SystemÂ* Windows 10 Home 64-Bit === Cheapskates! This should use Pro. That video card choice totally swamps out any notion of "cost savings". I generally try to track down what the "desktop" equivalent of the card is. In this case, it would be a Titan X (~$1200 original price). The difference is, the "certified OpenGL support" is for CAD software, and the card ends up with "business" pricing to go along with the "professional" creds of the card. The Titan X also has half the VRAM, but really "12GB is the same as 24GB" for all except the most extreme applications. SimCity doesn't need 12GB. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-q...ng-benchmarks/ If you were Bill Gates, that would be a great system. So when I click the button, it goes to Amazon, and is "sans video card" ??? If so, you'd probably want to do a few edits in the parts list. The motherboard is $500 class. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16813132990R You could go crazy with the RAM in terms of speed... but read the reviews. G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600Â* $257 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820231980 Â*Â* Pros: Looks nice. Â*Â* Cons: Did not hold stock clocks or timings. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* When it would hold them, it required such High VSA and VCCIO Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* that the CPU was under threat. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Would only load past the windows logo once every 10+ boots Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* during these moments of testing. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Spreaders conflict with larger, say 135mm, CPU heatsink fans. Your build is using a water cooler for the CPU, so it doesn't matter how tall the heat spreaders are. The hose barbs and tubing have to be routed so they don't conflict with RAM or something. These other ones, the five reviews seem to be better for some reason, perhaps because they were testing with a different CPU type ? It's hard to find ordinary DIMMs that actually claim to be tested with X299 (for whatever that is worth - the machine should really work with any DDR4 you select). The reason for selecting this, is the hope the XMP profile works to save on the need for "tuning". https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820231907 $238.99 This is easily a $2000 build, just quickly doing a few sums in my head. And say, reusing your video card. A $500 motherboard, a $1000 CPU, $250 for RAM, a bit more other junk, and so on. The CPU liquid cooler probably costs a few bucks. But is going to be more friendly than putting a huge Noctua air cooler in there. I had to seat the DIMMs on my system, using a "pusher stick" made of wood, to snap the DIMMs into place. A water cooler leaves a lot more room (although it doesn't give any blowdown cooling or anything, for motherboard components). You might want to check the temps on the VCore regulator during your build/test. When Prime95 is running (non-AVX version). Â*Â*Â* Paul Heh, I didn't price the GPU because I planned to use the one I have. And yes, I figured about $2K, which I can swing, but which I don't want to do if I don't have to.Â* I hadn't even looked at the price of the GPU. Holy moly. I've spent the bulk of today working on (OK, playing around with) my P9X79 computer.Â* I have a dual boot system and I wanted to upgrade my secondary OS with the latest version of Win10, a clean install. A digression: I downloaded the new (this week) Win10 ISO and installed it clean in a small partition I use for my secondary OS.Â* Pretty soon it was telling me it needed some "updates."Â* Well, where the initial installation took about 20 minutes, the "updates" took over an hour, but now I have an installation of Win10 version 1803, OS Build 17134.1.Â* And now that I look, I see my main OS installation is Version 1709, Build 16299.371.Â* And I thought I'd successfully updated it to the Spring 2018 version earlier this week.Â* Sometimes Windows puzzles me. My main point, though, is that throughout today I've heard the four-beep error message only once, and that was when I'd disconnected my main boot drive (an SSD that holds the OS and all applications) in order to prevent Win10 from spotting it while installing my secondary OS on another drive.Â* (I hate dealing the with boot manager, and this way it never gets triggered.)Â* But all I had to do was power down and then power up again and I heard the Post beep and I was in business for the rest of the day. As I've mentioned in earlier posts, a simple reboot never triggers the error beeps.Â* The system has to shut down -- fans off -- before a reboot triggers the error.Â* And the other day that was happening regularly. Every time I'd exit BIOS the system would completely power down, pause a few seconds, and then power up again, triggering the error.Â* Today that hasn't happened once, I transition smoothly from BIOS into OS boot and I've been in and out of BIOS a number of times. So...I'm not going to buy a new system as long as this one keeps behaving.Â* But if things go south again anytime soon, I really believe I'll get the board and the processor mentioned above, and some of the RAM, and as for that $4500 GPU...ha ha. Thanks for following up.Â* I'm going to take a deep breath now and wait to see if my problems recur anytime soon. I'm hoping I just might be able to escape this with few injuries to my wallet. Well, ****onit. As time passed I became adept at working around the problem. Restarts are never a problem -- I can restart over and over all day long and everything's perfect. But let me shut down -- fans off -- and getting things going again becomes a hit-or-miss proposition, with lots of misses before a hit. Press power button -- hear the error -- power off -- wait -- try again -- no luck -- wait -- try -- wait -- try -- wait...hey, that's the post beep. And then everything's fine until the next power down. When all this started, I could always power on successfully first thing in the morning, but that's no longer the case. Now I expect an error every time I power up. I bought a new power supply just in case that was the problem. I figured if a new PS could solve the problem my wallet would get off easy. But today I've installed my new Corsair RM750x and on first boot it was easy sailing, but after a shutdown and power on, I got the error beeps again. So for a semi-reasonable sum I've ruled out the power supply. Next up, I guess -- MBO, CPU, memory, M2 card. Good news about the cooling system: apparently my current Kraken X61 will fit a socket 2066. I don't know what else to do. Memtest never finds an error and Windows and Aida report my 32 gigabytes of DDR3 are behaving normally. I think there's got to be a MBO problem, but if you have another idea I'd like to hear it. Otherwise I'm about to do some expensive shopping. At least I'll be starting with a nice new power supply. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 5/25/2018 2:16 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
I don't know what else to do.Â* Memtest never finds an error and Windows and Aida report my 32 gigabytes of DDR3 are behaving normally.Â* I think there's got to be a MBO problem, but if you have another idea I'd like to hear it.Â* Otherwise I'm about to do some expensive shopping.Â* At least I'll be starting with a nice new power supply. I'm now convinced the P9X79 is my problem. I bought a new MBO -- Asus Prime X-299A and outfitted it with a new i7 processor and 16 gigs of ddr4 memory and (my new pride and joy) a 500 GB Samsung NVMe m.2 socket SSD card. Man that thing is blazing fast -- I'm convinced even faster than my old Samsung 500 GB SSD. And in case you're wondering, a Kraken X61 cooler moves from a LGA 2011 socket to an LGA 2066 socket with no fuss at all. Fits perfectly. In building the new system I came to the embarrassing (but mistaken) conclusion that my whole problem had a bad Colossus video capture card, as I couldn't get my old one to work on the new MBO for some reason. The new system wouldn't start with that Colossus card installed. Well I just knew that must have been my problem all along, so I ordered a new Colossus 2 card which is working flawlessly in the new system. I was confident I'd identified the problem and pretty annoyed at myself for buying a new MBO and processor and all the rest when all I'd needed to do was replace that Colossus card. Sure, I wanted a faster system, but still... So last night, with the new system up and running great, I gathered some unused parts and rebuilt my old system. I had a spare case and cooler and power supply and really everything I needed except an optical drive and strangely, a little motherboard speaker -- both easily obtainable. I certainly had enough parts to fire up the rebuilt P9X79, which I did and it started perfectly, everything working. And then I shut down and restarted and ... nothing. I head no beeps because I had no MBO speaker, but it was easy to tell it wasn't booting. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ... then it booted. Same behavior as before, and this time with practically no peripherals installed. Removed all memory but one card ... nothing. Switched out that card ... nothing. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ...and it boots. So I want a new motherboard for my Intel LGA 2011 i7 3930 processor and 32 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory. And I can't seem to find anything worth having for less than about $400. I can find micro motherboards that come with a processor already installed for under $150, but I want a full ATX with onboard sound and a few slots for peripherals like my spare nVidia GTX 570 video card. And I don't want to pay $250 to $400 to build a system I don't really need but would like to have around just in case...you know. Anybody have a suggestion for where to find something cheap? And good? Please help me find a use for all my spare parts.... -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 6/9/2018 10:53 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
On 5/25/2018 2:16 PM, Bill Anderson wrote: I don't know what else to do.Â* Memtest never finds an error and Windows and Aida report my 32 gigabytes of DDR3 are behaving normally.Â* I think there's got to be a MBO problem, but if you have another idea I'd like to hear it.Â* Otherwise I'm about to do some expensive shopping.Â* At least I'll be starting with a nice new power supply. I'm now convinced the P9X79 is my problem. I bought a new MBO -- Asus Prime X-299A and outfitted it with a new i7 processor and 16 gigs of ddr4 memory and (my new pride and joy) a 500 GB Samsung NVMe m.2 socket SSD card. Man that thing is blazing fast -- I'm convinced even faster than my old Samsung 500 GB SSD. And in case you're wondering, a Kraken X61 cooler moves from a LGA 2011 socket to an LGA 2066 socket with no fuss at all.Â* Fits perfectly. In building the new system I came to the embarrassing (but mistaken) conclusion that my whole problem had a bad Colossus video capture card, as I couldn't get my old one to work on the new MBO for some reason. The new system wouldn't start with that Colossus card installed.Â* Well I just knew that must have been my problem all along, so I ordered a new Colossus 2 card which is working flawlessly in the new system.Â* I was confident I'd identified the problem and pretty annoyed at myself for buying a new MBO and processor and all the rest when all I'd needed to do was replace that Colossus card. Sure, I wanted a faster system, but still... So last night, with the new system up and running great, I gathered some unused parts and rebuilt my old system. I had a spare case and cooler and power supply and really everything I needed except an optical drive and strangely, a little motherboard speaker -- both easily obtainable. I certainly had enough parts to fire up the rebuilt P9X79, which I did and it started perfectly, everything working.Â* And then I shut down and restarted and ... nothing.Â* I head no beeps because I had no MBO speaker, but it was easy to tell it wasn't booting. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ... then it booted.Â* Same behavior as before, and this time with practically no peripherals installed.Â* Removed all memory but one card ... nothing.Â* Switched out that card ... nothing. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ...and it boots. So I want a new motherboard for my Intel LGA 2011 i7 3930 processor and 32 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory.Â* And I can't seem to find anything worth having for less than about $400.Â* I can find micro motherboards that come with a processor already installed for under $150, but I want a full ATX with onboard sound and a few slots for peripherals like my spare nVidia GTX 570 video card.Â* And I don't want to pay $250 to $400 to build a system I don't really need but would like to have around just in case...you know. Anybody have a suggestion for where to find something cheap?Â* And good? Please help me find a use for all my spare parts.... Maybe this? https://goo.gl/wqcfA7 https://www.amazon.com/Procaja-Mothe...ga+2011+socket -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
Bill Anderson wrote:
On 6/9/2018 10:53 AM, Bill Anderson wrote: On 5/25/2018 2:16 PM, Bill Anderson wrote: I don't know what else to do. Memtest never finds an error and Windows and Aida report my 32 gigabytes of DDR3 are behaving normally. I think there's got to be a MBO problem, but if you have another idea I'd like to hear it. Otherwise I'm about to do some expensive shopping. At least I'll be starting with a nice new power supply. I'm now convinced the P9X79 is my problem. I bought a new MBO -- Asus Prime X-299A and outfitted it with a new i7 processor and 16 gigs of ddr4 memory and (my new pride and joy) a 500 GB Samsung NVMe m.2 socket SSD card. Man that thing is blazing fast -- I'm convinced even faster than my old Samsung 500 GB SSD. And in case you're wondering, a Kraken X61 cooler moves from a LGA 2011 socket to an LGA 2066 socket with no fuss at all. Fits perfectly. In building the new system I came to the embarrassing (but mistaken) conclusion that my whole problem had a bad Colossus video capture card, as I couldn't get my old one to work on the new MBO for some reason. The new system wouldn't start with that Colossus card installed. Well I just knew that must have been my problem all along, so I ordered a new Colossus 2 card which is working flawlessly in the new system. I was confident I'd identified the problem and pretty annoyed at myself for buying a new MBO and processor and all the rest when all I'd needed to do was replace that Colossus card. Sure, I wanted a faster system, but still... So last night, with the new system up and running great, I gathered some unused parts and rebuilt my old system. I had a spare case and cooler and power supply and really everything I needed except an optical drive and strangely, a little motherboard speaker -- both easily obtainable. I certainly had enough parts to fire up the rebuilt P9X79, which I did and it started perfectly, everything working. And then I shut down and restarted and ... nothing. I head no beeps because I had no MBO speaker, but it was easy to tell it wasn't booting. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ... then it booted. Same behavior as before, and this time with practically no peripherals installed. Removed all memory but one card ... nothing. Switched out that card ... nothing. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ...and it boots. So I want a new motherboard for my Intel LGA 2011 i7 3930 processor and 32 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory. And I can't seem to find anything worth having for less than about $400. I can find micro motherboards that come with a processor already installed for under $150, but I want a full ATX with onboard sound and a few slots for peripherals like my spare nVidia GTX 570 video card. And I don't want to pay $250 to $400 to build a system I don't really need but would like to have around just in case...you know. Anybody have a suggestion for where to find something cheap? And good? Please help me find a use for all my spare parts.... Maybe this? https://goo.gl/wqcfA7 https://www.amazon.com/Procaja-Mothe...ga+2011+socket The Amazon entry, the dimensions are somewhat strange. You'll want to convert the measurements to inches and see whether it's even MicroATX. I couldn't find any reference to the brand. But apparently, X79 motherboards from China are a "thing". The dude here receives one, that doesn't even have a heatsink on the VRM components. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg739TdPFeA Now if I was building that up: 1) Build on kitchen table. 2) Lay motherboard in the open so it can be seen. 3) Run Prime95. 4) Stick finger on VRM. Get burnt or whatever. 5) Plan a cooling strategy. 6) Then... install in a case. You'd probably check the VRM even at idle in the case of that motherboard (with no heatsink on VRM). The one in your case has an extruded aluminum piece bolted to it for looks. Aluminum fins, it doesn't pay to make them too tall, as you can't get heat flow up to the top of the fin all that well. And that's why the shortness of those fins probably isn't a total disaster. While surface area is what you want on heatsinks, if you have a really thin 1" tall fin, the top half inch isn't doing anything. This is why for CPU coolers, heatpipes are wound through the fin arrays to shorten the distance from heatpipe "perfect thermal conductor" to the fin. If the fins were thicker, then they could be taller, but with thicker fins there would be fewer of them. I ended up using impingement cooling on my VRM, but the heatsink on my board isn't really shaped for any good cooling strategies. I just "pointed the fan at it and hoped for the best". I installed the fan, because I burned my finger on the VRM heatsink. Since the dude in the video received a three page fold-out "manual", chances are you'll be doing a build with zero support from the manufacturer. If you're lucky, there might be an all-Chinese manual as a PDF on the CD. I've worked with all-Chinese manuals before, and the diagrams still have value. The BIOS on that Youtube motherboard is AMI, but who knows whether AMI knows about that particular manufacturer. I would prefer to see a "CPU support table", with some notion of BIOS version versus supported CPUs. Just dropping a few CPU model numbers into a single sentence answer, isn't confidence building. But it is cheap :-) Er, ah, I mean "good price". The larger Chinese plants use automation for mfg (standard pick and place, double IR reflow tunnels), and only test is done with humans. They cannot afford to make too much garbage - in a low margin business, you'd go bankrupt in a year if you couldn't achieve some level of build quality. But that doesn't address whether the board layout and controlled impedance were done well. They have to steal an experienced designer from one of the larger motherboard houses, to expect good work. I don't think we're at the level yet where a high school student can have "first time success". Paul |
Asus P9X79 four short beeps
On 6/9/2018 2:27 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: On 6/9/2018 10:53 AM, Bill Anderson wrote: On 5/25/2018 2:16 PM, Bill Anderson wrote: I don't know what else to do.Â* Memtest never finds an error and Windows and Aida report my 32 gigabytes of DDR3 are behaving normally.Â* I think there's got to be a MBO problem, but if you have another idea I'd like to hear it.Â* Otherwise I'm about to do some expensive shopping.Â* At least I'll be starting with a nice new power supply. I'm now convinced the P9X79 is my problem. I bought a new MBO -- Asus Prime X-299A and outfitted it with a new i7 processor and 16 gigs of ddr4 memory and (my new pride and joy) a 500 GB Samsung NVMe m.2 socket SSD card. Man that thing is blazing fast -- I'm convinced even faster than my old Samsung 500 GB SSD. And in case you're wondering, a Kraken X61 cooler moves from a LGA 2011 socket to an LGA 2066 socket with no fuss at all.Â* Fits perfectly. In building the new system I came to the embarrassing (but mistaken) conclusion that my whole problem had a bad Colossus video capture card, as I couldn't get my old one to work on the new MBO for some reason. The new system wouldn't start with that Colossus card installed.Â* Well I just knew that must have been my problem all along, so I ordered a new Colossus 2 card which is working flawlessly in the new system.Â* I was confident I'd identified the problem and pretty annoyed at myself for buying a new MBO and processor and all the rest when all I'd needed to do was replace that Colossus card. Sure, I wanted a faster system, but still... So last night, with the new system up and running great, I gathered some unused parts and rebuilt my old system. I had a spare case and cooler and power supply and really everything I needed except an optical drive and strangely, a little motherboard speaker -- both easily obtainable. I certainly had enough parts to fire up the rebuilt P9X79, which I did and it started perfectly, everything working.Â* And then I shut down and restarted and ... nothing.Â* I head no beeps because I had no MBO speaker, but it was easy to tell it wasn't booting. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ... then it booted.Â* Same behavior as before, and this time with practically no peripherals installed. Removed all memory but one card ... nothing.Â* Switched out that card ... nothing. Wait, try, wait, try, wait ...and it boots. So I want a new motherboard for my Intel LGA 2011 i7 3930 processor and 32 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory.Â* And I can't seem to find anything worth having for less than about $400.Â* I can find micro motherboards that come with a processor already installed for under $150, but I want a full ATX with onboard sound and a few slots for peripherals like my spare nVidia GTX 570 video card.Â* And I don't want to pay $250 to $400 to build a system I don't really need but would like to have around just in case...you know. Anybody have a suggestion for where to find something cheap?Â* And good? Please help me find a use for all my spare parts.... Maybe this? https://goo.gl/wqcfA7 https://www.amazon.com/Procaja-Mothe...ga+2011+socket The Amazon entry, the dimensions are somewhat strange. You'll want to convert the measurements to inches and see whether it's even MicroATX. I couldn't find any reference to the brand. But apparently, X79 motherboards from China are a "thing". The dude here receives one, that doesn't even have a heatsink on the VRM components. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg739TdPFeA Now if I was building that up: 1) Build on kitchen table. 2) Lay motherboard in the open so it can be seen. 3) Run Prime95. 4) Stick finger on VRM. Get burnt or whatever. 5) Plan a cooling strategy. 6) Then... install in a case. You'd probably check the VRM even at idle in the case of that motherboard (with no heatsink on VRM). The one in your case has an extruded aluminum piece bolted to it for looks. Aluminum fins, it doesn't pay to make them too tall, as you can't get heat flow up to the top of the fin all that well. And that's why the shortness of those fins probably isn't a total disaster. While surface area is what you want on heatsinks, if you have a really thin 1" tall fin, the top half inch isn't doing anything. This is why for CPU coolers, heatpipes are wound through the fin arrays to shorten the distance from heatpipe "perfect thermal conductor" to the fin. If the fins were thicker, then they could be taller, but with thicker fins there would be fewer of them. I ended up using impingement cooling on my VRM, but the heatsink on my board isn't really shaped for any good cooling strategies. I just "pointed the fan at it and hoped for the best". I installed the fan, because I burned my finger on the VRM heatsink. Since the dude in the video received a three page fold-out "manual", chances are you'll be doing a build with zero support from the manufacturer. If you're lucky, there might be an all-Chinese manual as a PDF on the CD. I've worked with all-Chinese manuals before, and the diagrams still have value. The BIOS on that Youtube motherboard is AMI, but who knows whether AMI knows about that particular manufacturer. I would prefer to see a "CPU support table", with some notion of BIOS version versus supported CPUs. Just dropping a few CPU model numbers into a single sentence answer, isn't confidence building. But it is cheap :-) Er, ah, I mean "good price". The larger Chinese plants use automation for mfg (standard pick and place, double IR reflow tunnels), and only test is done with humans. They cannot afford to make too much garbage - in a low margin business, you'd go bankrupt in a year if you couldn't achieve some level of build quality. But that doesn't address whether the board layout and controlled impedance were done well. They have to steal an experienced designer from one of the larger motherboard houses, to expect good work. I don't think we're at the level yet where a high school student can have "first time success". Â*Â* Paul You make some very good points, as usual. This one at least has reviews and the cost is about the same: https://goo.gl/Mhq69H https://www.amazon.com/Beyang-Intel-...tome rReviews I'm going to give it some more thought as I'm headed out of town tomorrow. But for the price I think this is worth a shot. We shall see. And thanks for pushing me toward a heat sink. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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