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Jim April 11th 04 01:07 AM

So what if thermal compound spreads?
 
Depends, depends on how much and the CPU. On the Intel, much less of a
problem (as long as it's not creeping around on to the underside!). On the
AMD, much more problematic. The AMD core is *exposed*, and thus there are
various "bridges" that surround it. The last thing you want to do is
"short" one of those bridges because you got to sloppy w/ the thermal paste!

But having too much paste indicates another problem. The paste is ONLY
there to fill the microscopic imperfections between the mating surfaces. If
those surfaces were perfect, you wouldn't even need the paste, in fact, it
would *hinder* heat transfer. If you have so much paste on the mating
surfaces that installation causes much of it to squeeze out, it indicates
you have too much paste! Think of it this way, if we could use the paste to
fill ONLY the imperfections, that would be ideal. Every bit of paste that
*interferes* with contact between the CPU and heatsink is working NEGATIVELY
against heat trasnfer. We're only interested in preventing VOIDS between
the mating surfaces. Anything that's NOT filling the voids and is actually
*preventing* surface to surface contact between the CPU and heatsink and
thus *hindering* heat transfer, not helping.

Bottomline: The less the better, ideally zero, but since this is an
imperfect world, we need some, so use as little as possible.

HTH

Jim


"CrackerJack" wrote in message
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What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?




Conor April 11th 04 02:22 AM

In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal compound is to fill
the very small scratches on the faces.

--
Conor

If you're not on somebody's **** list, you're not doing anything
worthwhile.

QBall April 11th 04 10:17 AM

No problem at all .... if you don't mind higher temps !
You need to maximise metal-metal contact.
With a mirror-shine finish (above 1200 grit), you only need invisible
amounts of goop.
Enough to take off the shine, only.

"CrackerJack" wrote in message
...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?




John April 11th 04 11:01 AM

Conor wrote in message m...
In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal compound is to fill
the very small scratches on the faces.


Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive. For maximum heat
transfer from the core to the heatsink, the two metal pieces need to
touch as much as possible. Hence, the addition on the paste fills in
the imperfections.

Other than being a mess, things should work just fine.

Rob Morley April 11th 04 11:22 AM

In article , "John"
says...
Conor wrote in message m...
In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal compound is to fill
the very small scratches on the faces.


Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive.


Eh?


QBall April 11th 04 11:53 AM


"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "John"
says...
Conor wrote in message

m...
In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal compound is to

fill
the very small scratches on the faces.


Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive.


Eh?



You thought he meant thermally, we realised he meant electrically.







Rob Morley April 11th 04 12:04 PM

In article , "QBall"
says...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "John"
says...
Conor wrote in message

m...
In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal compound is to

fill
the very small scratches on the faces.

Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive.


Eh?



You thought he meant thermally, we realised he meant electrically.

I realised he could have meant either, so asked for elaboration.
Actually some thermal compund is electrically conductive too, so I think
it was a dangerous statement to make.

Alex Fraser April 11th 04 12:08 PM

"Conor" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
What exactly is the problem if too much cpu compound is put on the
core and it gets squashed out onto the surrounding area?

Apart from looking messy, is there any real problem with this?


Yes as it acts as an insulator.


But more conductive than air, which is why it is used.

Alex



Max April 11th 04 03:36 PM

Rob Morley wrote:

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal
compound is to fill the very small scratches on the
faces.

Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive.

Eh?



You thought he meant thermally, we realised he meant
electrically.

I realised he could have meant either, so asked for
elaboration. Actually some thermal compund is electrically
conductive too,



Which one?


so I think it was a dangerous statement to
make.



Rob Morley April 11th 04 03:48 PM

In article , "Max"
says...
Rob Morley wrote:

Yes as it acts as an insulator. The idea of thermal
compound is to fill the very small scratches on the
faces.

Actually the thermal paste is non-conductive.

Eh?


You thought he meant thermally, we realised he meant
electrically.

I realised he could have meant either, so asked for
elaboration. Actually some thermal compund is electrically
conductive too,


Which one?

Any of the stuff that's filled with metallic particles is potentially
electrically conductive.


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