.. -------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular. One can kill file him -
unfortunately one cannot be rid of all the people who make follow ups
posts that quote him.

(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)

Considering that my posts are nothing more than quoting the posts of
Adrian Miller, Deirdre Straughan and Mike Richter:

Are Adrian Miller's words diatribes?
Don't you get ecstatic seeing Adrian Miller's words?
Shouldn't you get ecstatic seeing Adrian Miller's words?

Are Deirdre Straughan's words diatribes?
Don't you get ecstatic seeing Deirdre Straughan's words?
Shouldn't you get ecstatic seeing Deirdre Straughan's words?

Are Mike Richter's words diatribes?
Don't you get ecstatic seeing Mike Richter's words?
Shouldn't you get ecstatic seeing Mike Richter's words?

.. -------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular. One can kill file him -
unfortunately one cannot be rid of all the people who make follow ups
posts that quote him.

Whatever happened to "unsubstantiated accusations"?

==========================
From: smh
Subject: Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
Date: 3/4/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

... only makes inflammatory and
unsubstantiated accusations (especially at Adaptec) constantly -

Give one example of my "unsubstantiated accusations".
=========================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here

Whatever happened to "unsubstantiated accusations"?

==========================
From: smh
Subject: Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
Date: 3/4/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

... only makes inflammatory and
unsubstantiated accusations (especially at Adaptec) constantly -

Give one example of my "unsubstantiated accusations".
=========================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

---------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec
lets loose in Usenet this utter trash.
---------------------------------------------

==============================================
Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
==============================================

"Adrian Miller (cRoxio)" screamed (2/2/01):

Now, you are really showing your stupidity Sam. ECDC 3.5c is well documented
as causing total melt-down on Windows 2000 in many cases even with a special
patch that is no longer available. Without it, trashing the OS is almost
certain.

If you are stupid enough to follow Sam's advice in this matter I plead with
you to take a full system level backup first, as the likelihood that you
will have to re-format your hard drives is very high.

You forgot to mention that the use of 3.5c on Win 2k is in violation of
license agreement or something:

=======================
From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 12/30/00

"Nil" wrote...

Adrian Miller said:

ECDC 3.5c was never supported on Windows 2000, we provided a method
to get it to work as a courtesy to Windows 2000 beta testers but
this was heavily abused resulting in a major mess when SP1 was
released and WMP7 was released, we withdrew the patch to prevent
things getting worse.

I found the procedure and the patches and all is working fine for me
again, as it has for the last 9 months. I plan to never install WMP7.

Please replace your software with newer versions such as ECDC 4.03.

No. Unless you would like to give me a copy or there is an inexpensive
upgrade.

The use of ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 was beta only and you were supposed
to use it only until purchasing ECDC 4.0x. The fact that you used it for
nine months instead of the one or two that you should have used it for
shows the type of abuse this beta patch was subjected to. The patch file
can only legally be obtained from Roxio, we withdrew it to prevent it
being abused further. If you have installed ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 do
not apply any Windows 2000 service packs as you system will not like it.

=====================
From: Don Sterner
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 1/2/01

I may be getting forgetful in my old age, but I don't remember
anything being said earlier that use of ECDC on W2k was to be
considered as beta. Nor do I remember reading any time
limitations suggesting that it could only be used for a specific
length of time. I think everyone understood that full support for
ECDC 3.x wouldn't exist for W2K, and I don't think there was
really much loud complaining when ECDC3.x was never upgraded to
allow full function with W2K. However, to say that people were
abusing patches and violating user agreements is another matter
entirely.

I don't think anyone believed that they may have been in
violation of their license agreement by running ECDC3.x under
W2k. It is my recollection that ECDC3.x customers were told
essentially that they were free to use the limited functionality
that existed with W2K. I don't remember any restrictions
involving time or anything else. Unless my memory is failing me,
these usage restrictions have been developed more recently -
after the fact. The consumers knew that full support didn't
exist, but that was the extent of it. Nobody felt that they were
abusing anything.

On the other hand, this and other recent occurrences might have
some customers believing that they are being abused by Roxio. The
attitudes emanating from your company towards your customers will
be harmful to your corporate bottom line in the long run.
====================

( Note: The patch page referred to below was revised AFTER win2k )
( went Gold, and the word "beta" was never mentioned. )

=======================
From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 1/3/01

It was not there in black and white, but it was implied and it did state
that it was for use during Windows 2000 beta testing. That can be taken
as meaning that it should not be used after the beta program finished at
the end of 1999.

The other problem is that this patch was widely abused without end user
knowledge. I have discovered many cases where companies supplied Windows
2000 machines using this patch to get ECDC 3.5c to work without
informing the end user that they were being supplied what later became a
time bomb when they installed WMP7.
========================

(Note 1: Don't see how WMP7 can be installed on Win2k when Ezcd 3
supposedly causes total "melt-down" of Win2k.)
(Note 2: There were no reports of WMP7 "bomb"-ing Ezcd 3.)
(Note 3: WMP7 "bomb"-ed Ezcd 4.)

Summary:

----------------------------------------------------------
as an avid reader of this NG, one thing you gotta admit is
Adrian's got balls. Either that or he's outta his mind!
----------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here

Whatever happened to "unsubstantiated accusations"?

==========================
From: smh
Subject: Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
Date: 3/4/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

... only makes inflammatory and
unsubstantiated accusations (especially at Adaptec) constantly -

Give one example of my "unsubstantiated accusations".
=========================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

---------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec
lets loose in Usenet this utter trash.
---------------------------------------------

==============================================
Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (2 of 2)
==============================================

"Adrian Miller (cRoxio)" screamed (2/2/01):

Now, you are really showing your stupidity Sam. ECDC 3.5c is well documented
as causing total melt-down on Windows 2000 in many cases even with a special
patch that is no longer available. Without it, trashing the OS is almost
certain.

If you are stupid enough to follow Sam's advice in this matter I plead with
you to take a full system level backup first, as the likelihood that you
will have to re-format your hard drives is very high.

You forgot to mention that the use of 3.5c on Win 2k is in violation of
license agreement or something:

========================
From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 12/30/00

"Nil" wrote...

Adrian Miller said:

ECDC 3.5c was never supported on Windows 2000, we provided a method
to get it to work as a courtesy to Windows 2000 beta testers but
this was heavily abused resulting in a major mess when SP1 was
released and WMP7 was released, we withdrew the patch to prevent
things getting worse.

I found the procedure and the patches and all is working fine for me
again, as it has for the last 9 months. I plan to never install WMP7.

Please replace your software with newer versions such as ECDC 4.03.

No. Unless you would like to give me a copy or there is an inexpensive
upgrade.

The use of ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 was beta only and you were supposed
to use it only until purchasing ECDC 4.0x. The fact that you used it for
nine months instead of the one or two that you should have used it for
shows the type of abuse this beta patch was subjected to. The patch file
can only legally be obtained from Roxio, we withdrew it to prevent it
being abused further. If you have installed ECDC 3.5c on Windows 2000 do
not apply any Windows 2000 service packs as you system will not like it.

====================
From: Videoman
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 12/31/00

One would assume, that if one has a legal copy of ECDC 3.5c, and the mfg
posts a patch to allow it to work on W2K, then there is nothing illegal
or unethical about using said patch, to run said program, on said
operating system, as long as one wants to.

"only until purchasing 4.0x".. that's kind of disturbing. It's no longer
considered consumer choice to "upgrade", now it's considered manditory.
====================

( Note: The patch page referred to below was revised AFTER win2k )
( went Gold, and the word "beta" was never mentioned. )

=======================
From: Adrian Miller
Subject: ECDC 3.5 and Windows 2000
Date: 12/31/00

It was stated that it was a temporary patch for use by Windows 2000 beta
testers, Windows 2000 beta program finished at the end of last year. The
use of ECDC 4.01 or below breaks many rules on Windows 2000 and has
serious conflicts with other newer software.
=======================

Summary:

----------------------------------------------------------
as an avid reader of this NG, one thing you gotta admit is
Adrian's got balls. Either that or he's outta his mind!
----------------------------------------------------------

.. -------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
From: smh
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?
Date: 11/5/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:


You know all about libel?

=======================
From: smh
Subject: Ezcd 3.5 & Win 2k - License Violation (1 of 2)
Date: 3/4/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

... only makes inflammatory and
unsubstantiated accusations (especially at Adaptec) constantly -

Give one example of my "unsubstantiated accusations".

=======================
From: smh
Subject: Open Letter to SMH (Sam Hong)
Date: 9/7/01

Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous personal attacks


Could you list the libels?


for which he is noted elsewhere, I suggest that you contact
, who would be able to arrange to prevent
his posts appearing on the MS news servers - if not on others.
Such attacks are contrary to Microsoft's expressed rules of
contact: they tolerate a good deal, but not attacks like that
=======================

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

===========================
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous personal attacks

Could you list the libels?
==========================

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
================================================== ==

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

========================
Adrian Miller is Adaptec
========================

======================
From: smh
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec
Date: 4/11/00

"Adrian Miller \(Adaptec\)"
Adrian Miller (On behalf of the Adaptec Software Products Group)

Adrian Miller is Adaptec in these NGs.

As long as he has the above signature, and lacking any disclaimer
that he is only expressing his private opinions, whatever he says,
that's Adaptec is talking.

======================
From: Mike Richter (Adaptec Shill)
Date: 4/11/00

Adrian, your secret is out!

As often as you have said that you are Adaptec's voice in the
newsgroups, smh has finally heard you. I trust that you are suitably
grateful to have been found credible, even if in so limited a sense.

Congratulations, smh, on your perspicacity!

==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Date: 4/14/00
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec

Well of course. That's what we pay him for.

No one ever said any different.
==========================

---------------------------------------------------------
Wonder if "attacking" Adrian Miller is attacking Adaptec?
---------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

===========================
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous personal attacks

Could you list the libels?
==========================

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
================================================== ==

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

========================
Adrian Miller is Adaptec
========================

======================
From: smh
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec
Date: 4/11/00

"Adrian Miller \(Adaptec\)"
Adrian Miller (On behalf of the Adaptec Software Products Group)

Adrian Miller is Adaptec in these NGs.

As long as he has the above signature, and lacking any disclaimer
that he is only expressing his private opinions, whatever he says,
that's Adaptec is talking.

======================
From: Mike Richter (Adaptec Shill)
Date: 4/11/00

Adrian, your secret is out!

As often as you have said that you are Adaptec's voice in the
newsgroups, smh has finally heard you. I trust that you are suitably
grateful to have been found credible, even if in so limited a sense.

Congratulations, smh, on your perspicacity!

==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Date: 4/14/00
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec

Well of course. That's what we pay him for.

No one ever said any different.
==========================

---------------------------------------------------------
Wonder if "attacking" Adrian Miller is attacking Adaptec?
---------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous personal attacks

Could you list the libels?
----------------------------
================================================== ==

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

------------------------
Adrian Miller is Adaptec
------------------------
==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Date: 4/14/00
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec

Well of course. That's what we pay him for.
No one ever said any different.
==========================

================================================== ===============
Subject: "Personal" abuse when Adrian Miller is cRoxio-Acraptec ?
Date: 5/18/01

Deirdre Straughan (cRoxio) spewed:

I don't believe Adrian was ever intentionally insulting to anyone on the
newsgroups or anywhere else (though of course we are both sorry if he was ever
perceived that way. As we all know, email is an easily misinterpreted medium).

The same cannot be said for some people out here, who have piled

personal abuse on Adrian

Why do you suppose I posted the following?

=======================
From: smh
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec
Date: 4/11/00

Adrian Miller is Adaptec in these NGs.

==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Date: 4/14/00
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec

Well of course. That's what we pay him for.
No one ever said any different.
==========================
================================================== ===============

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous personal attacks

Could you list the libels?
----------------------------
================================================== ==

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

------------------------
Adrian Miller is Adaptec
------------------------
==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Date: 4/14/00
Subject: Adrian Miller is Adaptec

Well of course. That's what we pay him for.
No one ever said any different.
==========================

================================================== =====
Subject: Not being Abused, but being Pinned to the wall
Date: 5/18/01

Deirdre Straughton (cRoxio) spewed:

I don't believe Adrian was ever intentionally insulting to anyone on
the newsgroups

The same cannot be said for some people out here, who have piled
personal abuse on Adrian

So, as I said, if he got a little testy, I don't blame him.

Nor do I see why he should continue to waste his time out here
if that's what he and we get in return.

One more time:

=======================
From: Don Sterner
Subject: Adaptec woes? Here's why, folks, and how to fix it
Date: 1/3/01

"Adrian Miller (cRoxio)" squeaked:

...the amount of abuse I am taking...

You (Y-O-U) are not being abused.

As a corporate representative, you're being pinned to the wall
and for very good reasons. There's a difference.
=========================
================================================== =====

Notes:

=======================
From: Adrian Miller (Acraptec)
Subject: EZ CD Creator 4 Deluxe / will install IE 5!
Date: 11/23/99

D' has moved on to other things,
I have taken over a number of her tasks
such as company presence on the Usenet

==========================
From: Deirdre Straughan (Acraptec)
Subject: De-Commercialization of News Groups
Date: 12/3/99

I work in marketing, not tech support,
and Adrian works for me.

Our marketing channel is the Internet.
=========================

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

=======================
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
=======================

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=========================
From: Don Sterner
Date: 12/22/99

Adrian Miller (Acraptec)

I have a very good idea of what will be in the next update and
when it arrives it will take you a while to find something else
to BITCH about with ECDC 4. You complain about it so much and
I am willing to put money on it that you do not even own a copy.
Privately mail me your TSID and prove me wrong.

Well, that missile wasn't aimed at me, but I certainly do think
that it's an inappropriate post from a company representative and
it deserves a response.

I have stated several times in the past that I don't own ECDC 4,
and I have no intentions of buying it until I can see from user
reports here that it is a reasonable decision to buy it. I
certainly don't feel that way now. ECDC4 is bug-laden. I am a
buying customer of ECDC 3.x (twice, once as a bundle, then had to
pay full price to get the complete package). I had numerous
problems with that software, waiting for many months for updates
to problems that never should have existed in any
commercially-released product. I vowed to never buy another
Adaptec product until I had confidence that it deserved my money.
I'm still waiting for the updates that will make ECDC4 a good
product.

I am a potential customer. I have nothing in particular against
Adaptec, but I do refuse to knowingly buy troublesome software -
and I'll be outspoken out software problems when they've come
from an organization that has repeatedly shipped problematic
software in the past (as has Adaptec). I feel that it's within my
rights to do so. It's to my advantage to speak out and encourage
proper fixes - and to warn other potential users about the
problems. It's up to Adaptec to clean up their act, and they need
to accept that they will be subject to criticism until they do.

If the newsgroups get too hot for Adaptec employees, the proper
action is to encourage their management to take proper action,
not to attack and belittle newsgroup members.
==========================

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=========================
From: Don Sterner
Subject: Templates for Adaptec Jewel Case Creator Are to big?
Date: 12/22/99

Have you demonstrated to Adrian (or anyone else) that you actually
have the software? As I civilly pointed out to Don Sterner, if you
aren't sharing the pain, you are just another barking dog. Most of
us try to ignore dogs barking in the night.

What a load of crap. As I said earlier, I did buy ECDC 3.x
(twice) and I suffered through the endless month of bugs and
delayed buggy fixes. I have no intention of repeating that
mistake. It seems to be your contention that, even though I know
ECDC4 is full of bugs, I have no right to comment on them in this
newsgroup unless I'm fool enough to give Adaptec another bundle
of money for what I know is a marginal product at this point (at
best). I don't need to share the pain this round - I've been
there, done that for the past couple of years. I don't have any
intention of doing it again if I can avoid it - and if a few
people don't want to read my posts because I'm not a fool - they
can feel free to kill file me. As I said earlier, I couldn't care
less.


I doubt that I'm the only one who notices the tendency of those
who hold untenable positions to reduce the discussions to the
level of personal attack.

Even the Adaptec representative seems to be taking that path now.
===============================

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=======================
From: smh
Subject: EZCDC4.02 - still not OK - #3
Date: 4/1/00

Adrian Miller (Adaptec) wrote:

"smh" wrote:

It's very offensive to me for a company representative to criticize
any poster as if they own the NGs using the gutter level language,
the likes of which I have never encountered. But then again, this
shouldn't be a surprise to nobody, though, when it comes to Adaptec.

But it is alright for you to do it about me. I also believe that
you made a mistake over who was using gutter level language,
it certainly was not me.

What did I say about you personally? Just because you take personally
my catching and exposing your misinformation and half-truths, and
pointing out your illogical "positive marketing spin", do not make them
personal attacks. Branding them as personal attacks, which conjures the
impression that those were groundless or even false, that in itself is
another misinformation -- here's another personal attack?

You do not have to use 4 letter words to qualify as gutter language.
Your calling me "bad"; get down from the high horse; wondering whether I
have anything better to do; using the word "weasel"; as good as
practically ordering me what to do or not to do; magnanimously bestowing
your approval to one of my posts (by misinterpreting it).
=======================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=======================
From: Adrian Miller (Acraptec)
Subject: Templates for Adaptec Jewel Case Creator Are to big?
Date: 12/21/99

"smh" wrote:

This bug (in the usual sense) is not a bug (in the Adaptec sense)
as it's not listed in the version history page, aka known issues
page, and as Adaptec is aware of and working on it --supposedly--
and will be updated at some unknown future --supposedly.

Here we go again. This is a known issue that is being worked on at
this time. It has been discussed extensively on the Adaptec CD-R
mailing list.

Just because it has not made it to the web site yet does not mean
that we do not know about.

I expect that Sam will get on his high horse and reply to this,
he probably has nothing better to do.

Many issues are going to be cleared up in the next update
but I can not discuss which at this time.

=======================
From: smh
Date: 12/21/99

"Here we go again" is exactly right -- only it applies to you. Same
refrain: We are aware of, working on it, etc. And that's exactly
what I pointed out.

Stop using "next update" unless you know definitely the particular
bug being discussed is going to be fixed in that update -- that's
mis-information.

=======================
From: Don Sterner
Subject: Templates for Adaptec Jewel Case Creator Are to big?
Date: 12/21/99

But your site is presented in a way that gives the reader the
impression that all known problems are listed - that they'll not
have other difficulties if they buy your product. In fact, what
you are now saying is that some known problems aren't listed
there intentionally. I wonder why. Sounds very misleading to me.
=======================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================

Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=========================
From: Don Sterner
Date: 12/22/99

I doubt that I'm the only one who notices the tendency of those
who hold untenable positions to reduce the discussions to the
level of personal attack.

Even the Adaptec representative seems to be taking that path now.

==========================
From: Don Sterner
Date: 1/3/01

"Adrian Miller (cRoxio)" wrote:

...the amount of abuse I am taking...

You (Y-O-U) are not being abused.

As a corporate representative, you're being pinned to the wall
and for very good reasons. There's a difference.

====================
From: olc-ca
Subject: Adrian Miller - help - Thanks for being RUDE!!!!
Date: 4/15/01

I'm also a bit tired of Roxio fans taking every criticism
as personal attack.
====================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================
Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

=========================================
From: smh
Subject: Burnproof in EZCD Platinum 5
Date: 4/20/01

olc-ca wrote:
James Perrett wrote:

Adrian Miller (cRoxio) spewed:

I did not think it required total spoon feeding,
but it seems you want it that way:-

It seems sad that an official representative of Roxio should make
such a comment. It was totally unwarranted and aggressive.

Any tech support person should be used to "spoon feeding" and
should not make an issue of a customer's knowledge (or lack of it).
It doesn't require a great deal of effort to be nice to people and
a more helpful attitude could generate a few more sales.


According to another Roxio shill that posts here, Adrian is not tech
support, but marketing. Really knows how to create a corporate image,
huh?

Technically he is. But whenever somebody brings up woefull,
non-existent tech support, these cRoxio-Acraptec Goon Squad jump on you
saying what a wonderful tech support he provides.

( Nobody, it seems, to understand that cRoxio-Acraptec created the POS
in the first place, requiring much help, and that they do not provide
adequate help thru proper channels. )

They further add that no other software companies come to these NGs to
help out. (This is like you stab somebody and then getting kudos for
bandaging the person.)

But then whenever somebody brings up no help is forthcoming from him,
then the same cRoxio-Acraptec Goon Squad jump on you saying he's nothing
but a marketing, doing beyond his call of duty, getting yet more kudos.

Also, when somebody points out that he spams, then the Goon Squad
immediately jump on the person saying for all the things he
"contributes" a little shenanigans should be tolerated or even
permitted.
=========================================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================
Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?

==================================
From: tommydale48
Subject: STOP the EZCD bashing
Date: 4/8/00

Adrian Miller (Adaptec) spewed:

One of our Adaptec CD-R mailing list subscribers uses this
as his tag-line:-

It is a good idea to remember that....
90% of PC problems are between the keyboard & the chair.

Sort of a smart-ass comment, coming from a company that doesn't
give a rat's ass about customer relations! I suggest that in
Adaptec's case, 99% of the problems are solved by CUSTOMERS,
not the Adaptec people.

What an arrogant bunch of thieves!
==================================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================
Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?
..

================================================== =====
From: smh
Subject: Anyone tried MyCD software?
Date: 10/28/00

Adrian Miller (Acraptec) barfed:

I think Adrian is starting to step over the line on this NG
between supporting users of his software and blatant
commercialism.

Sam, you are putting words into my mouth again. Please stop.

What words did I put into your mouth? I quoted all of your posts
intact, without any editing, without omitting anything, without
adding anything. The whole enchilada EXACTLY. Did I leave out any
"important" bit? Again, what words did I put into your mouth?
Please spit out the words I am supposed to have put into your mouth.

I did not say he had to upgrade to 4.02,

Did I say you said "have to?" Are you putting words into my mouth?
You wrote one single line, "Upgrade to ECDC 4.02" which I quoted
exactly, without adding "have to". Now, who's putting words into
other's mouth?

I presented that as an option

You wrote, "Ugrade to ECDC 4.02." I'm sure everybody would
interpret that it's presented as an option, except me, of course.

and left it open

Some nerve you got to say this. "Upgrade to ECDC 4.02" says so?

so that he could try products from other companies if he wished.

Where did you say this?

He asked if it could be worked around in 3.5c, it can not
so I gave him a straight answer.

So you gave him a "straight answer" with "Ugrade to ECDC 4.02"?
Does this jibe with your assertion that you presented to him
"as an option" and "left it open"?

You wrote, "I don't think this effect 4.0." But when you wrote
"Ugrade to ECDC 4.02", you do think 4.0 is not affected, I presume.

To your "Upgrade to ECDC 4.02", I asked "Does it handle file stamp
of year 2041?" Why didn't you respond? You didn't respond because
4.x has the same prob with file stamps, just like 3.5c.

Knowing this and yet saying to upgrade to 4.02 is a FRAUD!!!

I can not recommend using Nero or non-Roxio products
as I have never used them,

Would you have recommended them if you used them?

much as you can not comment on ECDC 4 as you have never used it.

Why the hell not?

Does Acraptec allow quoting others' comments in Usenet?
Does Acraptec own Usenet?

Get lost!
================================================== =====

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

-------------------------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP), were you also born
with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
-------------------------------------------
(Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?)


Alex Nichol (MS MVP) peep-squeaked:

It is not just Mike - SMH has a pathological obsessive hatred of
Roxio and their products. He was offensive to the point of obscenity
at two Roxio people who used to post and help here - when they gave
up, he transferred his diatribes to anyone he saw as in any way an
apologist for Roxio, and Mike in particular.

Whatever happened to the charge of "libels"?

================================================== ===
Subject: Alex Nichol MVP (DTS) - Who's Libeling Whom?

----------------------------
Alex Nichol (MS MVP) spewed:

If you have seen Mr Hong makes here the kind of
libellous PERSONAL attacks

Could you list the libels?
--------------------------

Where are your responses, Alex Nichol (MS MVP)?
===============================================
Does the "P" in MVP stand for "PRICK"?
..

=========================================
From: olc-ca
Subject: Burnproof in EZCD Platinum 5
Date: 4/19/01

Adrian Miller (cRoxio) spewed:

I did not think it required total spoon feeding,
but it seems you want it that way:-


Any drive supported in ECDC 4.02 or above that features burn-proof
has burn-proof on in an always on form

Any drive supported in ECDC 5.00 or above that features burn-proof
or just-link has the option to use that technology.

Just how would anyone have known that unless you told them? Is giving
the actual answer to a customer's question your idea of spoon feeding?

Given the attitude I see from Roxio here, I wouldn't use ECDC5 even if
it worked.
=========================================

-------------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
----------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

=============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i)
=============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== =========
From: smh
Subject: Does anyone rely on DirectCD for multi-session backups?
Date: 2/7/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

When you remove a
fixed-length packet disc after having written anything to it, the
directory information is written back from RAM. That means that at least
portions of the disc are "scrubbed" - rewritten many times. The disc is
supposed to tolerate 1000 cycles, but in fact read accuracy goes down
continuously with erase cycles and the 1000 number seems absurdly
optimistic from the experience of most.

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

"In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc."

Mike Richter, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== =========

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

==============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii)
==============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== ==============
From: smh
Subject: CD-RWs and DirectCD - computer crashed and rebooted.
Date: 6/26/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

Erasables are good for only a limited number of cycles. Although that's
nominally 1000, experience says that it's much less. Regardless, there's
a tendency (despite publishers' efforts to reduce it) for the directory
to be "scrubbed" by repeated use and effective life is reduced still
further.

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this? Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==============

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

===============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii)
===============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== =
From: smh
Subject: Packet writing software for Windows XP
Date: 8/13/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

The effective lifetime of the disc is better measured in ejections than
in erase cycles. Despite specification numbers of the order of a
thousand cycles, experience has suggested a practical limit at least an
order of magnitude less.

Do you know more than cRoxio? Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

==============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv)
==============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== ==
From: smh
Subject: tdk 40/12/48 rw trouble
Date: 10/30/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

Erasable media wear out, particularly with the sort of use
fixed-length packets usually give them.

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) squeaked:

snip squeaking

Stop that squeaking sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

=============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v)
=============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== ============
From: smh
Subject: cd-rom wont eject cd-r/w disks but will eject cd-r disks
Date: 11/7/02

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) spewed:

...The nominal 1000 cycles has appeared to be a
fiction to all of us who used fixed-length packets. Unfortunately, the
first area to go (for understandable reasons) is that of the directory.

Is cRoxio lying?

================================================== =
From: smh
Subject: tdk 40/12/48 rw trouble
Date: 10/30/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

Erasable media wear out, particularly with the sort of use
fixed-length packets usually give them.

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==

================================================== ============

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

==============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi)
==============================================

[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

================================================== ============
From: smh
Subject: Problem with Direct CD 3.05
Date: 11/23/02

Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) screeched:

Difficulty in formatting an erasable is most often due to the medium,
not to the software or drive hardware. During a full format, each sector
is written and read back; if the error rate is excessive, the sector is
retried, then retired ...

Note that errors increase with erase cycles; the practical limit is far
less than the theoretical 1000 cycles.

Is cRoxio lying?

================================================== ==
From: smh
Subject: tdk 40/12/48 rw trouble
Date: 10/30/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

... Erasable media wear out, particularly with the sort of use
fixed-length packets usually give them.

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==

================================================== ============

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

===============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii)
===============================================

(Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?)

================================================== ==
From: smh
Subject: Can't rewrite
Date: 12/29/02

Mikey Richter (Lying Scum) spewed:

It could be an erasable wearing out. Don't believe the
manufacturer's claims about number of cycles; users typically
find less than a hundred erase cycles before losses show and

packet writing uses more erase cycles in the directory area
(where your problem originates) than many believe.

--------------------
The above is FALSE
--------------------

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== ==

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

( No pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a libel )
( -- despite Mikey's supposed to have proof of misquotes!!! )


Richard Loeb (Pipsqueak) moaned:

snip moaning

Stop that moaning sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

================================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii)
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[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

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From: smh
Subject: Problems with EZCD 5 Platinum and UDF
Date: 3/31/03

Mikey Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

The nominal life of an erasable is 1000 erase cycles, but that
has not been realized in practice for many reasons. One is that
critical areas of the disc are "erased" every time you modify one
and eject it.

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is Roxio lying, Mikey?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

"In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc."

Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
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Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix)
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[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

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Subject: What causes a failed burn on RW media
to result in a coaster? Any fixes?

Mikey Richter (Slimy Scum) screeched:

Erasable media have proved both failure-prone and short-lived. I
recommend using them only for test. It has never been clear how one
should interpret the quoted life of 1000 erase cycles, particularly

since UDF means erasing of specific bytes and sectors, not full discs.

What kind of a cockamamie are you now spewing, Mikey? The last time I
checked UDF means Universal Disk Format.

BTW, whatever happened to the directory and critical areas?

The nominal 1000 cycles has appeared to be a fiction to all
of us who used fixed-length packets. Unfortunately, the first
area to go (for understandable reasons) is that of the directory.

packet writing uses more erase cycles in the directory area
...than many believe.

The nominal life of an erasable is 1000 erase cycles, but that
has not been realized in practice for many reasons. One is that
critical areas of the disc are "erased" every time you modify one
and eject it.

Also, have you heard of 'SPARING' technology, Mikey?

Also, what do you say to this, Mikey?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

[Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?]
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Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x)
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[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

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From: smh
Subject: bad sectors on cdrw not marked when formatting?
Date: 5/6/03

Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) screeched:
-=outlaw=- wrote:
Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

Another factor is that not all sectors can be moved aside;
I believe there are parts of the TOC which must be located
where the hardware looks for them. If those start to wear out,
you can get the same result.

The answer is: replace the disc.

only 2% or less seems to be unreadable :\

It takes less than that if the faults are in the directory, which is the
most "scrubbed" region on an erasable whether quick- or full-formatted.

Is the "directory" of fixed-length packet cd at a fixed location, Mikey?

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

[Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?]
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Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi)
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[Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey?]

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum)
Subject: UDF, Packet Writing, and Backups
Date: 4/30/01

Videoman wrote:

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:

That's because the directory information for fixed-length
packets is held in RAM.

An utterly stupid design, IMHO.

Unfortunately, it's unavoidable. The problem is that the information
cannot be written back every time or the directory area would be worn
out very quickly. Each change to the directory would necessitate
rewriting some material - even if only a pointer to where the changes
were located. Scrubbing that region would exceed the (nominal) 1000
rewrites very quickly.
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If that's the case, why does DirectCD even bother to use SPARING
technique, Mikey?

If that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this? Is cRoxio lying?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

[Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?]

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Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xii)
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From: Mike Richter (Slimy Scum)
Subject: Rewrite CD's repeat spec
Date: 12/20/02

How many times can CD RW disks be rewritten.

In theory, 1000-2000 times. In practice, a few dozen.
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If that's the case, why does DirectCD even bother to use SPARING
technique, Mikey?

And if that's the case, how could cRoxio claim this?
Is cRoxio lying, Mikey?

DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

[Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?]

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Mike Richter (Friggin ****) splattered (6/21/04):

Recent versions of DCD saved the user one step
when closing a variable-length packet session without
closing the disc: they format for the (presumed) next session
when closing the last.

"Save" one step! But the supposed benefit of the "save" is this:

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From: "Bob M"
Subject: Roxio Easy CD Creator & Direct CD 5.0
Date: 3/12/01

DCD 5.0 does not temporarily close CD's
so the session is always open, and most times,
unreadable on ANY CD drive.

They [cRoxio] hope to have a fix very soon
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Wow! The DirectCD bug is a "save" feature!


As I understand the spec, that's legal

And the DirectCD bug is even sanctioned by the spec, no less!

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From: Mike Richter
Subject: Why can't i make a mixed-mode CD?
Date: 5/12/01

Mixed Mode is multisession by definition. === MULTI

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From: Mike Richter
Subject: Why can't i make a mixed-mode CD?
Date: 5/17/01

I learned from previous discussion here that
I was in error === SINGLE

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From: Mike Richter
Subject: Audio and Data files on same CD
Date: 1/18/04

A Mixed Mode disc will
not play in a conventional audio CD machine;
in a modern CD-ROM, it will play only the audio === MULTI !!
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Mike Richter: CD-R FAQ has Significant Errors
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From: "ned ludd"
Subject: Lead in and Lead out
Date: 5/28/02

"Mike Richter" (Friggin' ****) spewed (5/24/02):

I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section.

It is quite dated ... and has significant errors
based on my understanding.

An essential omission for this Subject is the role of
the leadout/runout in a reader.

A CD-ROM (or audio) drive needs the runout to read the session
at all.

Not in my experience.

An audio disc without a leadout ... will read in ANY player
up to the point where the data ends provided it was burned DAO.

Failed data discs burned DAO will behave similarly,
any complete files will be readable in any reader.
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Mikey must know nothing about OVERBURN !!
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Mike Richter (Slimy ****) splattered (7/10/04):

As a result, Adaptec, Roxio ... abandoned ASPI.

Abandon by incorporate, Mikey?

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From: Mike Richter (Acraptec Shill)
Subject: Adaptec ASPI Layer
Date: 10/7/00

ASPI layer was incorporated into ECDC 4.02 and above
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Mike Richter (Friggin SOB) screeched (9/21/04):

There is nothing wrong with packet writing itself, rather the
problem has been the poorly designed/implemented, and less
than adequately tested, implementations of ISO/IEC 13346.

The problem in fact lies with the error rate of CD media in general
and the specific problems of erasable media.

The impact comes in the TOC,

which must at least in part be scrubbed - erased and rewritten -
whenever a file is written or erased.

Forgot about the Directory, Slimeball?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin SOB)
Date: 10/18/04

I am using InCD (3.5) to write to CD-RW's.

every time you unmount the disc after making any change
to its contents means another erase cycle in at least

a key area of the DIRECTORY.

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(Puny "erase cycle" instead of "scrubbing"?)

Do the TOC and the Directory get scrubbed at the same time?

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What a Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter (Friggin SOB) screeched (9/21/04):

There is nothing wrong with packet writing itself, rather the
problem has been the poorly designed/implemented, and less
than adequately tested, implementations of ISO/IEC 13346.

The problem in fact lies with the error rate of CD media in general
and the specific problems of erasable media.

The impact comes in the TOC,

which must at least in part be scrubbed - erased and rewritten -
whenever a file is written or erased.

Forgot about the Directory, Slimeball?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin SOB)
Date: 10/18/04

I am using InCD (3.5) to write to CD-RW's.

every time you unmount the disc after making any change
to its contents means another erase cycle in at least

a key area of the DIRECTORY.

============================================
(Puny "erase cycle" instead of "scrubbing"?)

Do the TOC and the Directory get scrubbed at the same time?

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What a Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter (Friggin SOB) screeched (9/21/04):

There is nothing wrong with packet writing itself, rather the
problem has been the poorly designed/implemented, and less
than adequately tested, implementations of ISO/IEC 13346.

The problem in fact lies with the error rate of CD media in general
and the specific problems of erasable media.

The impact comes in the TOC,

which must at least in part be scrubbed - erased and rewritten -
whenever a file is written or erased.

Forgot about the Directory, Slimeball?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin SOB)
Date: 10/18/04

I am using InCD (3.5) to write to CD-RW's.

every time you unmount the disc after making any change
to its contents means another erase cycle in at least

a key area of the DIRECTORY.

============================================
(Puny "erase cycle" instead of "scrubbing"?)

Do the TOC and the Directory get scrubbed at the same time?

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What a Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) spewed (11/9/04):

Your old CDROM does not read CD created in mode 2 format.

I agree that writing in Mode 1 is preferable
(even in multisession)

Know all about Mode 1 & 2, Friggin Freak?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin ****)
Subject: mode 1 and mode 2/xa

Mode 1 was the original format for data recording and
did not support multisession.
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(Incat Systems, 1994)
Multisession discs are recorded according to the Orange Book Part II
standard, which states that they can be written in either the CD-ROM
or CD-ROM XA physical format. It does not matter which;
theoretically, you could even mix the two formats on one disc.
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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) spewed (11/9/04):

Your old CDROM does not read CD created in mode 2 format.

I agree that writing in Mode 1 is preferable
(even in multisession)

Know all about Mode 1 & 2, Friggin Freak?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin ****)

Mode 1 was the original format for data recording and
did not support multisession.
======================

(Incat Systems, 1994)
Multisession discs are recorded according to the Orange Book Part II
standard, which states that they can be written in either the CD-ROM
or CD-ROM XA physical format. It does not matter which;
theoretically, you could even mix the two formats on one disc.
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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) spewed (11/9/04):

Your old CDROM does not read CD created in mode 2 format.

I agree that writing in Mode 1 is preferable
(even in multisession)

Know all about Mode 1 & 2, Friggin Freak?

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From: Mike Richter (Friggin ****)

Mode 1 was the original format for data recording and
did not support multisession.
======================

(Incat Systems, 1994)
Multisession discs are recorded according to the Orange Book Part II
standard, which states that they can be written in either the CD-ROM
or CD-ROM XA physical format. It does not matter which;
theoretically, you could even mix the two formats on one disc.
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