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- - amd or intel? (http://www.hardwarebanter.com/showthread.php?t=8763)

AMD would be out of business if their chips cost the same as intel
chips. Compare the P4 extreme with the FX-53. I wonder who buys the P4
extreme. It is extremely priced ;-)). Now the FX-53 is not cheap
either ;-)).

Later

"Jason" == Jason Cothran writes:

Jason "Codemutant" wrote in message
Jason om...
Jason |
Jason |
Jason | The arguement i lose when debating with intelfans.. is "why
Jason then amd | is cheaper than intel?? if the performance is high
Jason isnt it cheaper | bcause it uses cheaper components???" ...
Jason any suggessions...? | thanx for the replies i got... i finally
Jason made up my mind to buy an | amd64 3.0ghz system. I am planning
Jason to use asus motherboard with the in | build geforce. Do tell
Jason me tips to keep my amd cooler and in perfect | working
Jason condition.

Jason Howmany AMD commercials do you see, or AMD ads in general? How
Jason many Intel ads do you see? Overhead, and market share. Intel
Jason has the uninformed into thinking their computer must say
Jason "Intel inside" to run. Your typical average buyer has never
Jason ever heard of "AMD" or "Athlon". AMB has been and continues to
Jason gain market share as more and more people become educated to
Jason the fact that for most applications, AMD is superior to Intel.
Jason As for buying a 3GHz system, you will have to wait a while ;)
Jason . AMD makes systems that smoke intel 3GHz+ systems, but they
Jason do not make one @3GHz themselves yet. No need when they can
Jason smoke an Intel 3.4EE with a 2GHz CPU.

Codemutant's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his
body we
The arguement i lose when debating with intelfans.. is "why then amd
is cheaper than intel?? if the performance is high isnt it cheaper
bcause it uses cheaper components???" ... any suggessions...?
thanx for the replies i got... i finally made up my mind to buy an
amd64 3.0ghz system. I am planning to use asus motherboard with the in
build geforce. Do tell me tips to keep my amd cooler and in perfect
working condition.

Easy, you pay more for the name brand than the product. Intel has been
popular forever, and everyone, including non computer people, know them,
so they can use that to their leverage and charge more.

Have a good intake and exhaust fan. exhaust in back, intake up front. I
use 2 120mm fans for mine ATM (about to add more)

"Codemutant" wrote in message
om...
I am intel celeron 333mhz user.., I recently decided to buy a new
computer.
The system is most propably going to be used to run a linux version
and do
some serious programming. May be a little bit of games, movies.. and
multimedia
can also be thoght of in the Things-to-do list. I was thinking of
buying
an AMD64 3ghz based computer. But my friends are advicing me to go for
an Intel
pentium 2.8 HT system. They argue that AMD is unreliable and
overheating of the cpu is
very common. They said that for saving money i must not compramise on
reliablity and performance in the long run.
What should i buy: an intel based system or an AMD?

Forget Intel, unless you have more money than sense. :o)
1. If you want a 32bit system, get an AMD XP mobile 2500+ based, as it is
highly overclockable
2. If you want an inexpensive 64bit system, get an AMD 64 3200+ socket 754
with Nforce3 250 chipset
3. If you want a midranged price 64bit system, get an AMD 64 3500+ socket
939 with Nforce3 Ultra chipset

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:20:27 -0500, "Frosty the Snow Bunny"
wrote:

"Codemutant" wrote in message
. com...
I am intel celeron 333mhz user.., I recently decided to buy a new
computer.
The system is most propably going to be used to run a linux version
and do
some serious programming. May be a little bit of games, movies.. and
multimedia
can also be thoght of in the Things-to-do list. I was thinking of
buying
an AMD64 3ghz based computer. But my friends are advicing me to go for
an Intel
pentium 2.8 HT system. They argue that AMD is unreliable and
overheating of the cpu is
very common. They said that for saving money i must not compramise on
reliablity and performance in the long run.
What should i buy: an intel based system or an AMD?

Forget Intel, unless you have more money than sense. :o)
1. If you want a 32bit system, get an AMD XP mobile 2500+ based, as it is
highly overclockable
2. If you want an inexpensive 64bit system, get an AMD 64 3200+ socket 754
with Nforce3 250 chipset
3. If you want a midranged price 64bit system, get an AMD 64 3500+ socket
939 with Nforce3 Ultra chipset

My vote is for the amd64 with the socket 754 nforce3 250. Best bang
for the buck.

Plus, I just don't see what's so great about the 939 scores, prices,
and availability.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:22:41 -0500, Post Replies Here Please wrote:

"Ben" == Ben Pope writes:

Ben dano wrote:
In article ,
(Codemutant) wrote:

I am planning to use asus motherboard with the in build geforce.
Do tell me tips to keep my amd cooler and in perfect working
condition.
Tip on asus if you plan to use linux:
http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html

Ben ...which clearly show that they have no bias away from Linux.
Ben The guy apparently got no help, regardless of whether he said
Ben the issue was found within Linux or Windows.

Ben He's also an extreme rambler, doesn't he just go on and on
Ben without really saying much?

Ben I just did this search and found a possible fix:
Ben http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=K8...network+OR+NIC

Ben First link... as always.

Wow! First link. Anyway the did not give support for Windows either. I
guess the author forgot to mention that. Whatever

Clearly this just means that Asus could care less about defect. Saying
they don't support Linux was just an easy way for them to avoid the
problem.:-)

But it's not that big of a problem, unless it happens to you I guess.:-)

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Wes Newell wrote:
Clearly this just means that Asus could care less about defect.

I assume you mean "couldn't care less".

Saying they don't support Linux was just an easy way for them to
avoid the problem.:-)

Indeed.

My Registrar fobbed me off with "there is no process for transferring your
domain". Which was a lie. It's been transferred.

When enquiring the IP address of the DNS servers of my ISP, I was told to
"turn off DNS" (typical MS with misleading network configuration
terminology*). When I told them that turning off DNS would be a bit silly,
and that I was using Linux so the instructions they are reading off of their
screen is worthless to me, they said they didn't support Linux. I said they
didn't need to, they just had to give me the IP address of their DNS
servers! (Like I'd asked, like are provided on their website, but not
knowing the IP address of their website, I was a little stuck as I didn't
have any name resolution!)

*Has anybody tried configuring the firewall built into Window XP? What the
hell is an "input port"? Input to WHAT! Why Microsoft can't just use
"local" and "remote" like everybody else is beyond me.

"Customer Service" is a contradiction in terms for most companies. The
current trend of moving "customer service" depts to India and the like is a
typical example of this. I refuse to deal with a company that has that
attitude (if I can possibly help it) My time is worth more than a few quid
I might save. It's false economy.

But it's not that big of a problem, unless it happens to you I guess.:-)

Agreed. The point is that Asus are hardly alone in poor customer service...
to single them out as a motherboard manufacturer whose products CANNOT work
with Linux is somewhat misleading.

Rarely have I found customer service of any company to be consistently good.
When average Joe will not buy products that cost a bit more to get better
service, what are the companies to do? Keep spending money on training to
get good service and then go bankrupt and not have any... or reduce costs
(and therefore quality) to compete?

I don't wish to single you out because you are not alone, but as an example
you spent $12 on a 600W PSU (am I right?) So you are Average Joe purchasing
products based on price, not quality. For $12 I know you aren't expecting
great things from it (or any kind of customer service, I would hope), hence
the spare one, and that is the extreme end of the scale, but it stuck in my
mind!

Rant over.

I feel much better. Thanks for listening. :-p

Ben
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