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ps56k March 17th 09 01:19 PM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 
Son just picked up a refurb Dell M1210 and likes it a lot compared to our
Dell C610's..
It came with the Dell battery - NF343 - 11.1v 53Wh

wondering where to go get the bigger brother, as backup,
and the model number compared to the NF343

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"If everything seems to be going well,
you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright



ps56k March 17th 09 02:58 PM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 

"ps56k" wrote in message
...
Son just picked up a refurb Dell M1210 and likes it a lot compared to our
Dell C610's..
It came with the Dell battery - NF343 - 11.1v 53Wh

wondering where to go get the bigger brother, as backup,
and the model number compared to the NF343

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it's interesting how battery specs are tweaked
to show more power.... even Dell -

ie -
Dell CG039 battery lists as 9cell @ 85Wh
the "key" is what is used as a base voltage - 10.8 vs 11.1-
which is interesting as most all rechargeables list as 1.2v
9 x 1.20v = 10.80v
9 x 1.24v = 11.07v

11.1v x 4800mah = 53Wh (NF343)
11.1v x 7600mah = 85Wh (CG039)

Other battery vendors -
10.8v x 6600mah = 71Wh
10.8v x 7200mah = 77Wh




S.Lewis[_3_] March 17th 09 03:00 PM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 

"ps56k" wrote in message
...
Son just picked up a refurb Dell M1210 and likes it a lot compared to our
Dell C610's..
It came with the Dell battery - NF343 - 11.1v 53Wh

wondering where to go get the bigger brother, as backup,
and the model number compared to the NF343

--
----------------------------------
"If everything seems to be going well,
you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright




Pacific battery doesn't stock it - yet.
http://www.pacificbattery.com/dell_x...0_battery.html






rebel March 18th 09 12:10 AM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:58:17 -0500, "ps56k"
wrote:

it's interesting how battery specs are tweaked
to show more power.... even Dell -

ie -
Dell CG039 battery lists as 9cell @ 85Wh
the "key" is what is used as a base voltage - 10.8 vs 11.1-
which is interesting as most all rechargeables list as 1.2v
9 x 1.20v = 10.80v
9 x 1.24v = 11.07v

11.1v x 4800mah = 53Wh (NF343)
11.1v x 7600mah = 85Wh (CG039)

Other battery vendors -
10.8v x 6600mah = 71Wh
10.8v x 7200mah = 77Wh


It isn't 9 cells @ 1.2V. It is 3*3 at 3.6V, or in the other case 3.7V. The
quoted nominal cell voltage of Li-Ion cells depends on who wants to impress whom
as much as any clinical arguments.

Using a charge termination voltage of 4v20 (the notation I prefer) and an
end-of-discharge voltage of 3v0, the average is 3v6. Under constant current
discharge the voltage curve is reasonably linear so using the average is a
reasonable approach. However under constant power discharge the curve becomes
steeper as the voltage drops, so 3v7 is more relevant in some arguments.

ps56k March 18th 09 01:34 AM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 

"rebel" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:58:17 -0500, "ps56k"

wrote:

it's interesting how battery specs are tweaked
to show more power.... even Dell -

ie -
Dell CG039 battery lists as 9cell @ 85Wh
the "key" is what is used as a base voltage - 10.8 vs 11.1-
which is interesting as most all rechargeables list as 1.2v
9 x 1.20v = 10.80v
9 x 1.24v = 11.07v

11.1v x 4800mah = 53Wh (NF343)
11.1v x 7600mah = 85Wh (CG039)

Other battery vendors -
10.8v x 6600mah = 71Wh
10.8v x 7200mah = 77Wh


It isn't 9 cells @ 1.2V. It is 3*3 at 3.6V, or in the other case 3.7V.
The
quoted nominal cell voltage of Li-Ion cells depends on who wants to
impress whom
as much as any clinical arguments.

Using a charge termination voltage of 4v20 (the notation I prefer) and an
end-of-discharge voltage of 3v0, the average is 3v6. Under constant
current
discharge the voltage curve is reasonably linear so using the average is a
reasonable approach. However under constant power discharge the curve
becomes
steeper as the voltage drops, so 3v7 is more relevant in some arguments.


huh - math is the same
9 x 1.2v = 10.8v
3 x 1.2v = 3.6v x 3 = 10.8v

the real question(able) issue,
is using something other than 1.2v per cell.




rebel March 18th 09 10:27 AM

Dell M1210 battery choices - NF343
 
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:29 -0500, "ps56k"
wrote:


"rebel" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:58:17 -0500, "ps56k"

wrote:

it's interesting how battery specs are tweaked
to show more power.... even Dell -

ie -
Dell CG039 battery lists as 9cell @ 85Wh
the "key" is what is used as a base voltage - 10.8 vs 11.1-
which is interesting as most all rechargeables list as 1.2v
9 x 1.20v = 10.80v
9 x 1.24v = 11.07v

11.1v x 4800mah = 53Wh (NF343)
11.1v x 7600mah = 85Wh (CG039)

Other battery vendors -
10.8v x 6600mah = 71Wh
10.8v x 7200mah = 77Wh


It isn't 9 cells @ 1.2V. It is 3*3 at 3.6V, or in the other case 3.7V.
The
quoted nominal cell voltage of Li-Ion cells depends on who wants to
impress whom
as much as any clinical arguments.

Using a charge termination voltage of 4v20 (the notation I prefer) and an
end-of-discharge voltage of 3v0, the average is 3v6. Under constant
current
discharge the voltage curve is reasonably linear so using the average is a
reasonable approach. However under constant power discharge the curve
becomes
steeper as the voltage drops, so 3v7 is more relevant in some arguments.


huh - math is the same
9 x 1.2v = 10.8v
3 x 1.2v = 3.6v x 3 = 10.8v


it is, only because 3.6 is exactly three times 1.2

the real question(able) issue,
is using something other than 1.2v per cell.


3.6

or 3.7

Your choice really.

ps56k April 17th 09 12:21 AM

Dell M1210 battery choices - 9 cell
 

"S.Lewis" wrote in message
...

"ps56k" wrote in message
...
Son just picked up a refurb Dell M1210 and likes it a lot compared to our
Dell C610's..
It came with the Dell battery - NF343 - 11.1v 53Wh

wondering where to go get the bigger brother, as backup,
and the model number compared to the NF343

--
----------------------------------
"If everything seems to be going well,
you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright




Pacific battery doesn't stock it - yet.
http://www.pacificbattery.com/dell_x...0_battery.html


wonder if anyone has landed a decent M1210 new 9-cell battery
from the variety of ebay sellers or other online stores ?





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