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Travis King
December 5th 04, 07:37 PM
I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to watch
out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always installed
Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink installation isn't as
risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true? Thanks for any input...

Carlo Razzeto
December 5th 04, 09:20 PM
"Travis King" > wrote in message
news:LzIsd.517045$D%[email protected]_s51...
>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to watch
>out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always installed
>Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink installation isn't as
>risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true? Thanks for any input...
>

Installing a heatsink in an A64 system is easy and safe. However I recommend
spending a few dollars and getting a good after market heatsink. It make's
the installation process a breeze. My thermaltake was a snap to install.

Carlo

Dee
December 5th 04, 10:40 PM
Travis King wrote:
> I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
> installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to watch
> out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always installed
> Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink installation isn't as
> risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true? Thanks for any input...
>
>

If you read the manual for any of the socket 754, 939, or 940
motherboards, it will show you exactly how to mount the CPU and heat
sink. If you don't have a manual, download one from one of the
manufacturers sites and you can read it with Adobe Reader.

Marshall
December 5th 04, 10:56 PM
Carlo Razzeto wrote:
> "Travis King" > wrote in message
> news:LzIsd.517045$D%[email protected]_s51...
>
>>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to watch
>>out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always installed
>>Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink installation isn't as
>>risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true? Thanks for any input...
>>
>
>
> Installing a heatsink in an A64 system is easy and safe. However I recommend
> spending a few dollars and getting a good after market heatsink. It make's
> the installation process a breeze. My thermaltake was a snap to install.
>
> Carlo
>
>

I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as
far as I can tell. No heat issues.

Travis King
December 5th 04, 11:08 PM
I heard that the heatsinks are okay for the A64s, but if you ever want to
pull out the processor and re-use it, it could cause some problems because
of the thermal interface material that the heatsink uses. I heard that you
could risk damaging the processor when removing it... At least that's what
I heard...
"Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Carlo Razzeto wrote:
>> "Travis King" > wrote in message
>> news:LzIsd.517045$D%[email protected]_s51...
>>
>>>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>>>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to
>>>watch out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always
>>>installed Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink
>>>installation isn't as risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true?
>>>Thanks for any input...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Installing a heatsink in an A64 system is easy and safe. However I
>> recommend spending a few dollars and getting a good after market
>> heatsink. It make's the installation process a breeze. My thermaltake was
>> a snap to install.
>>
>> Carlo
>
> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
> as I can tell. No heat issues.

Aerticulean Effort
December 5th 04, 11:32 PM
Travis King wrote:
> I heard that the heatsinks are okay for the A64s, but if you ever want to
> pull out the processor and re-use it, it could cause some problems because
> of the thermal interface material that the heatsink uses. I heard that you
> could risk damaging the processor when removing it... At least that's what
> I heard...
> "Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Carlo Razzeto wrote:
>>
>>>"Travis King" > wrote in message
>>>news:LzIsd.517045$D%[email protected]_s51...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>>>>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to
>>>>watch out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always
>>>>installed Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink
>>>>installation isn't as risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true?
>>>>Thanks for any input...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Installing a heatsink in an A64 system is easy and safe. However I
>>>recommend spending a few dollars and getting a good after market
>>>heatsink. It make's the installation process a breeze. My thermaltake was
>>>a snap to install.
>>>
>>>Carlo
>>
>> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
>>as I can tell. No heat issues.
>
>
>
How noisy is it?

All that lo cycles per second hum (hertz) can be a bit of a demotivator
for me especially after using super quiet running kit that (at the most)
gives the odd hard disk click every now and again

Aerticeus

Carlo Razzeto
December 6th 04, 12:44 AM
"Marshall" > wrote in message
...
>
> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
> as I can tell. No heat issues.

There are no heat issues with the standard heatsink. I found however that
they are a pain to install compared to an after market heatsink and louder.

Carlo

Wes Newell
December 6th 04, 12:51 AM
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:44:02 -0500, Carlo Razzeto wrote:

> "Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
>> as I can tell. No heat issues.
>
> There are no heat issues with the standard heatsink. I found however that
> they are a pain to install compared to an after market heatsink and louder.
>
Didn't find it hard to install, but didn't like the compound on it.
Replaced with regular stuff. It wasn't too noisy, but I removed the
4400rpm fan and installed a 70mm->80mm adapter and it's almost silent now
at 2300rpm and cools just as good, maybe better.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

Marshall
December 6th 04, 03:58 AM
Carlo Razzeto wrote:
> "Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
>>as I can tell. No heat issues.
>
>
> There are no heat issues with the standard heatsink. I found however that
> they are a pain to install compared to an after market heatsink and louder.
>
> Carlo
>
>

Yeah it was a bit of a pain to install actually but I can't tell about
noise issues as I have seven fans in the case so it is a tad difficult
to point at it as a specific source. I'm running two HDD's with two case
fans in front blowing over them. My system isn't loud and if it was I
would do something about it but it isn't dead silent either.

The problem with attaching the heat sink is that too much force is
required to push down the metal latch opposite the lever locking end.

Travis King
December 6th 04, 04:23 AM
Did it require any more force to put on the heatsink as it would for an
Athlon XP?
"Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Carlo Razzeto wrote:
>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I got a retail Newcastle, the heatsink that comes with it is fine as far
>>> as I can tell. No heat issues.
>>
>>
>> There are no heat issues with the standard heatsink. I found however that
>> they are a pain to install compared to an after market heatsink and
>> louder.
>>
>> Carlo
>
> Yeah it was a bit of a pain to install actually but I can't tell about
> noise issues as I have seven fans in the case so it is a tad difficult to
> point at it as a specific source. I'm running two HDD's with two case fans
> in front blowing over them. My system isn't loud and if it was I would do
> something about it but it isn't dead silent either.
>
> The problem with attaching the heat sink is that too much force is
> required to push down the metal latch opposite the lever locking end.

Alan Walpool
December 6th 04, 06:23 AM
>>>>> "Travis" == Travis King > writes:

Travis> I heard that the heatsinks are okay for the A64s, but if you
Travis> ever want to pull out the processor and re-use it, it could
Travis> cause some problems because of the thermal interface material
Travis> that the heatsink uses. I heard that you could risk damaging
Travis> the processor when removing it... At least that's what I
Travis> heard... "Marshall" > wrote in message
Travis> ...

Make sure you clean it off well and then use a high quality thermal
paste. It can be reused, and it works fine.

Good luck,

Alan

Marshall
December 6th 04, 09:10 PM
Travis King wrote:
> Did it require any more force to put on the heatsink as it would for an
> Athlon XP?

<snip>

I would say the force required is not as bad but I'm comparing to a
nearly four year old Athlon setup, I never had a Athlon XP so I am not
sure if there is a difference. I doubt there is though.

On a side note, please don't top post on Usenet. It fouls up the
formating and readability :)

Marshall
December 6th 04, 09:17 PM
Ed wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:37:31 GMT, "Travis King" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to watch
>>out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always installed
>>Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink installation isn't as
>>risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true? Thanks for any input...
>>
>
>
> Well you don't have to worry about cracking the die, the A64's have a
> heat spreader. I've built 4 A64 systems and the HS/fan took 10 seconds
> to install.
>
> AMD64 CPU and HeatSink_Install
> http://tinyurl.com/463xn
>
>
> BTW, my retail 3200+ Newcastle fan spins at around 3100 to 3300 and is
> pretty quite and under full load it gets about as hot as a Barton 3200+
> idles at!
>
> Ed
>

Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at 44
Celsius nominally (not under a load).

Travis King
December 6th 04, 10:17 PM
"Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Ed wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:37:31 GMT, "Travis King" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have never used an Athlon 64 before... What are the procedures for
>>>installing one as well as the heatsink? Are there anything I need to
>>>watch out for especially when mounting the heatsink? I have always
>>>installed Athlon XPs in the past... I heard that the heatsink
>>>installation isn't as risky as it is with the Athlon XPs. Is this true?
>>>Thanks for any input...
>>
>>
>> Well you don't have to worry about cracking the die, the A64's have a
>> heat spreader. I've built 4 A64 systems and the HS/fan took 10 seconds
>> to install.
>>
>> AMD64 CPU and HeatSink_Install
>> http://tinyurl.com/463xn
>>
>>
>> BTW, my retail 3200+ Newcastle fan spins at around 3100 to 3300 and is
>> pretty quite and under full load it gets about as hot as a Barton 3200+
>> idles at!
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at 44
> Celsius nominally (not under a load).
Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way of doing
things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft newsgroups). Others
like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup likes it at the bottom. I'm
using Outhouse Express if that answers any reason why. I was using Mozilla
Thunderbird, which does not top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was
very sloppy. Half the time it would lose the threads and just show Re: to
everything. Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other times you
couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express even with the poor
stability and yes, the top posts. This computer keeps trying to freeze up
on me completely with music going as I'm typing this. I don't know why.
It's never done that before. The music was freezing, Outlook Express,
everything. I have an Athlon XP 2400+... Probably just needs restarted
because I always leave my computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going to
be away for over a day or more. I heard it's hard on the devices to keep
power on and off all the time.

Marshall
December 7th 04, 12:45 PM
Travis King wrote:
> "Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
>

<snip>

>>
>>Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at 44
>>Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>
> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way of doing
> things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft newsgroups). Others
> like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup likes it at the bottom. I'm
> using Outhouse Express if that answers any reason why. I was using Mozilla
> Thunderbird, which does not top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was
> very sloppy. Half the time it would lose the threads and just show Re: to
> everything. Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other times you
> couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express even with the poor
> stability and yes, the top posts. This computer keeps trying to freeze up
> on me completely with music going as I'm typing this. I don't know why.
> It's never done that before. The music was freezing, Outlook Express,
> everything. I have an Athlon XP 2400+... Probably just needs restarted
> because I always leave my computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going to
> be away for over a day or more. I heard it's hard on the devices to keep
> power on and off all the time.
>
>

In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find a
forum that is top posting, it is only because they don't know what they
are doing ;)

I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the problem
that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first because it
remembers the settings for each group. There is a great fix for Outlook
that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs from OE, hehe.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but go
figure :p

It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices often.
I normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might have a PSU
issue or memory issue with your system.

Try http://memtest86.org/

Travis King
December 7th 04, 10:13 PM
What's more annoying is with SP2, Outhouse will automatically compress your
files once in a while. I've heard (if this isn't false too) that if there
were a power failure while compressing, I could lose the files it was
compressing. It also takes some time for it to do that when I'm ready to
move on to something different.
"Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Travis King wrote:
>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>
>>>Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at 44
>>>Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>>
>> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way of
>> doing things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft newsgroups).
>> Others like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup likes it at the
>> bottom. I'm using Outhouse Express if that answers any reason why. I
>> was using Mozilla Thunderbird, which does not top-post, but the newsgroup
>> handler on it was very sloppy. Half the time it would lose the threads
>> and just show Re: to everything. Sometimes you could get the threads
>> back. Other times you couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express
>> even with the poor stability and yes, the top posts. This computer keeps
>> trying to freeze up on me completely with music going as I'm typing this.
>> I don't know why. It's never done that before. The music was freezing,
>> Outlook Express, everything. I have an Athlon XP 2400+... Probably just
>> needs restarted because I always leave my computer on - I only shut it
>> down if I'm going to be away for over a day or more. I heard it's hard
>> on the devices to keep power on and off all the time.
>
> In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find a forum
> that is top posting, it is only because they don't know what they are
> doing ;)
>
> I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the problem
> that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first because it
> remembers the settings for each group. There is a great fix for Outlook
> that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs from OE, hehe.
>
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
> It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but go
> figure :p
>
> It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices often. I
> normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might have a PSU issue
> or memory issue with your system.
>
> Try http://memtest86.org/

Travis King
December 7th 04, 10:16 PM
Travis King wrote:
> What's more annoying is with SP2, Outhouse will automatically
> compress your files once in a while. I've heard (if this isn't false
> too) that if there were a power failure while compressing, I could
> lose the files it was compressing. It also takes some time for it to
> do that when I'm ready to move on to something different.
> "Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Travis King wrote:
>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at
>>>> 44 Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>>>
>>> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way of
>>> doing things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft
>>> newsgroups). Others like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup
>>> likes it at the bottom. I'm using Outhouse Express if that answers
>>> any reason why. I was using Mozilla Thunderbird, which does not
>>> top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was very sloppy. Half
>>> the time it would lose the threads and just show Re: to everything.
>>> Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other times you
>>> couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express even with the poor
>>> stability and yes, the top posts. This computer keeps trying to
>>> freeze up on me completely with music going as I'm typing this. I
>>> don't know why. It's never done that before. The music was
>>> freezing, Outlook Express, everything. I have an Athlon XP
>>> 2400+... Probably just needs restarted because I always leave my
>>> computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going to be away for over
>>> a day or more. I heard it's hard on the devices to keep power on
>>> and off all the time.
>>
>> In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find a
>> forum that is top posting, it is only because they don't know what
>> they are doing ;)
>>
>> I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the
>> problem that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first
>> because it remembers the settings for each group. There is a great
>> fix for Outlook that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs
>> from OE, hehe. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>
>> It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but
>> go figure :p
>>
>> It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices
>> often. I normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might
>> have a PSU issue or memory issue with your system.
>>
>> Try http://memtest86.org/
Let's try bottom-posting this time.

Travis King
December 7th 04, 10:32 PM
Travis King wrote:
> Travis King wrote:
>> What's more annoying is with SP2, Outhouse will automatically
>> compress your files once in a while. I've heard (if this isn't false
>> too) that if there were a power failure while compressing, I could
>> lose the files it was compressing. It also takes some time for it to
>> do that when I'm ready to move on to something different.
>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Travis King wrote:
>>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being at
>>>>> 44 Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>>>>
>>>> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way
>>>> of doing things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft
>>>> newsgroups). Others like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup
>>>> likes it at the bottom. I'm using Outhouse Express if that answers
>>>> any reason why. I was using Mozilla Thunderbird, which does not
>>>> top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was very sloppy. Half
>>>> the time it would lose the threads and just show Re: to everything.
>>>> Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other times you
>>>> couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express even with the poor
>>>> stability and yes, the top posts. This computer keeps trying to
>>>> freeze up on me completely with music going as I'm typing this. I
>>>> don't know why. It's never done that before. The music was
>>>> freezing, Outlook Express, everything. I have an Athlon XP
>>>> 2400+... Probably just needs restarted because I always leave my
>>>> computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going to be away for over
>>>> a day or more. I heard it's hard on the devices to keep power on
>>>> and off all the time.
>>>
>>> In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find a
>>> forum that is top posting, it is only because they don't know what
>>> they are doing ;)
>>>

>>> I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the
>>> problem that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first
>>> because it remembers the settings for each group. There is a great
>>> fix for Outlook that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs
>>> from OE, hehe. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>>
>>> It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but
>>> go figure :p
>>>
>>> It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices
>>> often. I normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might
>>> have a PSU issue or memory issue with your system.
>>>
>>> Try http://memtest86.org/
> Let's try bottom-posting this time.
On Thunderbird, it wasn't all the newsgroups that the threads acted up, just
some of them. I never have any problems with newsgroups on Outhouse other
than the top-posting, which by the way I just downloaded that OE-QuoteFix.
One other thing that I was annoyed with Thunderbird, when people that
received e-mails with attachments, the paperclip wouldn't show up in the
subject area, so people would get to reading the e-mail, and they sometimes
weren't observant and didn't see the attachment. Oh, and when you reply to
someone who sent you an attachment, the attachment gets sent again instead
of Outhouse when you reply to somebody who sent you an attachment, it won't
send the attachment back. Other than those three problems with Thunderbird,
I liked it - especially the UI.

Travis King
December 7th 04, 10:35 PM
Travis King wrote:
> Travis King wrote:
>> Travis King wrote:
>>> What's more annoying is with SP2, Outhouse will automatically
>>> compress your files once in a while. I've heard (if this isn't
>>> false too) that if there were a power failure while compressing, I
>>> could lose the files it was compressing. It also takes some time
>>> for it to do that when I'm ready to move on to something different.
>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Travis King wrote:
>>>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being
>>>>>> at 44 Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way
>>>>> of doing things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft
>>>>> newsgroups). Others like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup
>>>>> likes it at the bottom. I'm using Outhouse Express if that
>>>>> answers any reason why. I was using Mozilla Thunderbird, which
>>>>> does not top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was very
>>>>> sloppy. Half the time it would lose the threads and just show
>>>>> Re: to everything. Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other
>>>>> times you couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express
>>>>> even with the poor stability and yes, the top posts. This
>>>>> computer keeps trying to freeze up on me completely with music
>>>>> going as I'm typing this. I don't know why. It's never done that
>>>>> before. The music was freezing, Outlook Express, everything. I
>>>>> have an Athlon XP 2400+... Probably just needs restarted because
>>>>> I always leave my computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going
>>>>> to be away for over a day or more. I heard it's hard on the
>>>>> devices to keep power on and off all the time.
>>>>
>>>> In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find
>>>> a forum that is top posting, it is only because they don't know
>>>> what they are doing ;)
>>>>
>
>>>> I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the
>>>> problem that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first
>>>> because it remembers the settings for each group. There is a great
>>>> fix for Outlook that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs
>>>> from OE, hehe. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>>>
>>>> It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but
>>>> go figure :p
>>>>
>>>> It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices
>>>> often. I normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might
>>>> have a PSU issue or memory issue with your system.
>>>>
>>>> Try http://memtest86.org/
>> Let's try bottom-posting this time.
> On Thunderbird, it wasn't all the newsgroups that the threads acted
> up, just some of them. I never have any problems with newsgroups on
> Outhouse other than the top-posting, which by the way I just
> downloaded that OE-QuoteFix. One other thing that I was annoyed with
> Thunderbird, when people that received e-mails with attachments, the
> paperclip wouldn't show up in the subject area, so people would get
> to reading the e-mail, and they sometimes weren't observant and
> didn't see the attachment. Oh, and when you reply to someone who
> sent you an attachment, the attachment gets sent again instead of
> Outhouse when you reply to somebody who sent you an attachment, it
> won't send the attachment back. Other than those three problems with
> Thunderbird, I liked it - especially the UI.
I am using Firefox, and I'll tell you, as of now, I'll never go back to
Internet Explorer unless I have to.

Travis King
December 9th 04, 02:10 AM
Back to the A64... I don't need a fancy heatsink or anything because this
computer won't be for me. It will be for a typical computer user who
doesn't understand how to build a computer or overclock, so it won't be a
huge issue I guess.
"Travis King" > wrote in message
news:Mmptd.529399$D%[email protected]_s51...
> Travis King wrote:
>> Travis King wrote:
>>> Travis King wrote:
>>>> What's more annoying is with SP2, Outhouse will automatically
>>>> compress your files once in a while. I've heard (if this isn't
>>>> false too) that if there were a power failure while compressing, I
>>>> could lose the files it was compressing. It also takes some time
>>>> for it to do that when I'm ready to move on to something different.
>>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Travis King wrote:
>>>>>> "Marshall" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, that is what my 3200+ spins at also with the CPU die being
>>>>>>> at 44 Celsius nominally (not under a load).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay... Is this any better? Every newsgroup has a different way
>>>>>> of doing things. Some like to top-post (especially Microsoft
>>>>>> newsgroups). Others like it at the bottom. The Linux newsgroup
>>>>>> likes it at the bottom. I'm using Outhouse Express if that
>>>>>> answers any reason why. I was using Mozilla Thunderbird, which
>>>>>> does not top-post, but the newsgroup handler on it was very
>>>>>> sloppy. Half the time it would lose the threads and just show
>>>>>> Re: to everything. Sometimes you could get the threads back. Other
>>>>>> times you couldn't, so I switched back to Outhouse Express
>>>>>> even with the poor stability and yes, the top posts. This
>>>>>> computer keeps trying to freeze up on me completely with music
>>>>>> going as I'm typing this. I don't know why. It's never done that
>>>>>> before. The music was freezing, Outlook Express, everything. I
>>>>>> have an Athlon XP 2400+... Probably just needs restarted because
>>>>>> I always leave my computer on - I only shut it down if I'm going
>>>>>> to be away for over a day or more. I heard it's hard on the
>>>>>> devices to keep power on and off all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> In general, bottom posting is the way to go on Usenet, if you find
>>>>> a forum that is top posting, it is only because they don't know
>>>>> what they are doing ;)
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I use Thunderbird myself. It is not perfect but I don't have the
>>>>> problem that you mention. However I was a bit confused at first
>>>>> because it remembers the settings for each group. There is a great
>>>>> fix for Outlook that I used to use. It basically removes the bugs
>>>>> from OE, hehe. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's rather funny that Microsoft never fixed their own product, but
>>>>> go figure :p
>>>>>
>>>>> It is true that it is bad to power off and on electronic devices
>>>>> often. I normally power down when I go to sleep though. You might
>>>>> have a PSU issue or memory issue with your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try http://memtest86.org/
>>> Let's try bottom-posting this time.
>> On Thunderbird, it wasn't all the newsgroups that the threads acted
>> up, just some of them. I never have any problems with newsgroups on
>> Outhouse other than the top-posting, which by the way I just
>> downloaded that OE-QuoteFix. One other thing that I was annoyed with
>> Thunderbird, when people that received e-mails with attachments, the
>> paperclip wouldn't show up in the subject area, so people would get
>> to reading the e-mail, and they sometimes weren't observant and
>> didn't see the attachment. Oh, and when you reply to someone who
>> sent you an attachment, the attachment gets sent again instead of
>> Outhouse when you reply to somebody who sent you an attachment, it
>> won't send the attachment back. Other than those three problems with
>> Thunderbird, I liked it - especially the UI.
> I am using Firefox, and I'll tell you, as of now, I'll never go back to
> Internet Explorer unless I have to.
>

Brian2090
January 11th 05, 04:02 AM
Noel wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:17:40 GMT, "Travis King" >
> wrote:
>>I heard it's hard on the devices to keep power on and off all the time.
>
>
> Perhaps if you spend all day switching the machine on and off you will
> reduce their useful lifefime... but in normal use it makes little
> difference.
>

I agree totally, but some argue the point. The way I see it, a 2000
hour light buld will burn continuously for about 100 days perhaps... but
generally it will last a whole year being turned on and off each day,
undergoing alot more temperature change than your CPU. That's been my
experience anyway.

Brian M. (Seattle, WA)