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Andrew Krieg
July 15th 04, 06:42 PM
So are all s940 mobos compatible with s939 chips? I haven't seen any
s939 mobos and only a handful of s940s. Where are the new boards?
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Wes Newell
July 15th 04, 07:37 PM
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:36 +0000, Andrew Krieg wrote:

> So are all s940 mobos compatible with s939 chips?

I don't think so..

> I haven't seen any s939 mobos and only a handful of s940s. Where are
> the new boards?

Well, 940 is hardly new, they've been here for more than a year. I know
Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, and Tyan have had them for a while. And there's
several 939 boards to chose from now. I know of Asus, Abit and Gigabyte
boards that are available now and I'm sure there's others. And the 939
boards start at about $50 less than the 940 boards.

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Jason Cothran
July 16th 04, 02:19 AM
"Andrew Krieg" > wrote in message
...
| So are all s940 mobos compatible with s939 chips?

No

| I haven't seen any
| s939 mobos and only a handful of s940s. Where are the new boards?

940's can be found about anywhere. They have been out for quite a while.
939's may still be a bit scarce (I don't shop around much), but I do know
newegg.com carries them. That's not a plug for them, it is just where I buy
stuff from sometimes if my wholesaler is running back order.

Ben Pope
July 16th 04, 02:55 AM
Andrew Krieg wrote:
> So are all s940 mobos compatible with s939 chips? I haven't seen any
> s939 mobos and only a handful of s940s. Where are the new boards?


Not sure where people get the idea that socket 940 and 939 are compatible.
Do you think you could get a socket 754 CPU in a 939 or 940 board?

Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.

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john
July 16th 04, 02:18 PM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
wrote:

>...
>Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
>
>Ben


Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.

On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?

Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.

rstlne
July 16th 04, 03:58 PM
> Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
>
> On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
> for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
> 939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
> learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
>
> Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.
>
>

Yea, I think they learn'd that it was worth it in many cases for many
people..

General Schvantzkoph
July 16th 04, 04:27 PM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:18:08 -0700, john wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
> wrote:
>
>>...
>>Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
>>
>>Ben
>
>
> Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
>
> On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
> for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
> 939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
> learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
>
> Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.

You clearly don't have any understanding of the concept of a bottleneck.
Dual channel memory on the nforce2 wasn't very helpful because the
frontside bus on the Athlon only had sufficient bandwidth for single
channel memory. Think of a 4 lane highway that narrows down to two lanes,
the thoughput of the road is that of a two lane highway it doesn't matter
howmany extra lanes the rest of the road has the number of cars that pass
through is limited by the two lane section. The AMD64 has on chip memory
controllers so it doesn't have a bottleneck, the highway is always 4
lanes. Memory bandwidth is one of the most important factors in
performance. Dual channel memory makes a big difference in overall
performance on a lot of applications.

Jason Cothran
July 16th 04, 05:47 PM
"john" > wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
| wrote:
|
| >...
| >Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
| >
| >Ben
|
|
| Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
|
| On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
| for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
| 939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
| learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
|
| Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.
|
|

Yeah, another kill file candidate. Ignorance and unnecessary swearing all
rolled up in one post.

Ben Pope
July 16th 04, 06:07 PM
john wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
>>
>> Ben
>
>
> Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.

What marketing "bull****"?

> On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
> for the good deal it is.

Compared to what? The price difference between socket 754 and "equivalent"
socket 939 processors is minimal.

> I can see Opteron being a step above, but 939 is pure bull****.

The 939 is an Opteron without the requirement for registered (buffered) RAM.
So if the Opteron is so great, how can the 939 be "bull****"?

> Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
> learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?

Why don't you go away and read up on the architecture of processors or look
at some benchmarks?

The Dual channel implementation on the XP with nForce2 is completely
different to that of Dual Channel on Socket 939 or Opteron. Is "bull****"
word of the day or something? Given what you've just said, perhaps it's
concept of the day?

> Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.


No it's not. It's all in the spec sheets, AMD put that there so that you
can find out, if you could be bothered to engage brain before opening mouth.
It's also reflected in the benchmarks.

Ben
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Wes Newell
July 16th 04, 06:42 PM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:18:08 -0700, john wrote:

> Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
>
> On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
> for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
> 939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
> learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
>
> Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.

Well, I'll get my 2 cents worth in hopefully before my defective HD
crashes. I've read all the replies so far, and i agree with both you and
them. Them in the sense that's it's not BS, and you in the sense that
there's not a lot of performance to gain with dual channel. Damn, I should
go into polotics.

Everyone knows the difference, simply bandwidth, So running a program that
doesn't require a lot of bandwidth will run about the same on both 754 and
939 with the clock speeds and the rest the same. This can be best viewed
by just looking at the ratings from AMD themselves. At the same clock
speed and cache there's not a large difference in the performance ratings
between the 754 and 939. So it's my contention that everyone wins this
arguement.:-)

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john
July 17th 04, 11:18 AM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:47:32 -0400, "Jason Cothran"
> wrote:

>
>"john" > wrote in message
...
>| On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
>| wrote:
>|
>| >...
>| >Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
>| >
>| >Ben
>|
>|
>| Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
>|
>| On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
>| for the good deal it is. I can see Opteron being a step above, but
>| 939 is pure bull****. Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
>| learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
>|
>| Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.
>|
>|
>
>Yeah, another kill file candidate. Ignorance and unnecessary swearing all
>rolled up in one post.
>



LOL. I like to think of it as heresy.


Here's a little something off topic to sink your teeth into:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2124

john
August 5th 04, 03:04 PM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:52 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
wrote:

>john wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:55:32 +0100, "Ben Pope" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> Different chip, different socket, different board, different market.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>
>>
>> Personally, I'm kind of sick and tired of all this marketing bull****.
>
>What marketing "bull****"?
>
>> On the other hand I think it's funny people don't recognize socket 754
>> for the good deal it is.
>
>Compared to what? The price difference between socket 754 and "equivalent"
>socket 939 processors is minimal.
>
>> I can see Opteron being a step above, but 939 is pure bull****.
>
>The 939 is an Opteron without the requirement for registered (buffered) RAM.
>So if the Opteron is so great, how can the 939 be "bull****"?
>
>> Dual channel ? Give me a break. Didn't anyone
>> learn anything from all the nforce2 bull**** ?
>
>Why don't you go away and read up on the architecture of processors or look
>at some benchmarks?
>
>The Dual channel implementation on the XP with nForce2 is completely
>different to that of Dual Channel on Socket 939 or Opteron. Is "bull****"
>word of the day or something? Given what you've just said, perhaps it's
>concept of the day?
>
>> Its all in your mind and marketing put it there.
>
>
>No it's not. It's all in the spec sheets, AMD put that there so that you
>can find out, if you could be bothered to engage brain before opening mouth.
>It's also reflected in the benchmarks.
>
>Ben


LOL

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=5


"...First we'll tackle dual vs single channel memory interfaces;
for this test we used a Socket-939 Athlon 64 FX-51 (2.2GHz/1MB L2)
as our Dual Channel platform, and a Socket-754 Athlon 64 3400+
(2.2GHz/1MB L2) as our Single Channel platform. You can see that other
than the sockets, the two chips are identical, making this the perfect
single vs dual channel memory comparison.

Memory bandwidth doesn't seem to be something that the regular Athlon
64 needs much more of, as the move to dual channel DDR400 only offered
a 3% increase in performance. At higher resolutions, the performance
advantage would become even smaller.

We didn't really expect anything different here, as the dual channel
memory interface never really helped the Athlon 64 - definitely not as
much as it did the Pentium 4."



ROTFLMAO

one socket 754 3400 even edged out a socket 939 3500

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7