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Jason Cothran
July 5th 04, 10:41 PM
"Steven Kinch" > wrote in message
.. .

<snip>

| Now I understand that
| XP 64 or whatever it will be called will be released on an OEM basis only
| so I cannot get it without lying my self to hell and back. What the
f"*&%...

<snip>

Microsoft's only requirement for legally purchasing an OEM copy of it's
software in the past has always been you only have to buy a piece of
hardware ... ANY hardware, right down to a $2 cable. Some places try to
require you buy a motherboard, hard drive, or any other variety of
components. That is not Microshaft's fauilt though. I poersonally like the
fact it will be OEM only. It will save me a good bit of money.

Steven Kinch
July 5th 04, 10:55 PM
OK. What are you all using? When I was on a 32 bit system I dual booted
windows XP (and over the years all of its predecessors) and various
flavours of linux.

I now have and AMD 64 chip and 1 gig of ram and Mandrake 10 works like a
dream.

Windows is alright performance wise but obviously not much faster than it
was on an old AMD XP chip (I am not a Windoze fan). Now I understand that
XP 64 or whatever it will be called will be released on an OEM basis only
so I cannot get it without lying my self to hell and back. What the f"*&%...

so what are you all using to get the best out of these expensive and very
impressive chips?

James
July 5th 04, 10:59 PM
so if it was retail and OEM, you'd buy the retail and spend more money, but
if its only OEM, you like that cause its going to save you money?
dumbass
"Jason Cothran" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Steven Kinch" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
> <snip>
>
> | Now I understand that
> | XP 64 or whatever it will be called will be released on an OEM basis
only
> | so I cannot get it without lying my self to hell and back. What the
> f"*&%...
>
> <snip>
>
> Microsoft's only requirement for legally purchasing an OEM copy of it's
> software in the past has always been you only have to buy a piece of
> hardware ... ANY hardware, right down to a $2 cable. Some places try to
> require you buy a motherboard, hard drive, or any other variety of
> components. That is not Microshaft's fauilt though. I poersonally like the
> fact it will be OEM only. It will save me a good bit of money.
>
>

Pseudo Namen
July 5th 04, 11:16 PM
"rstlne" > wrote in message
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>
> "James" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> so if it was retail and OEM, you'd buy the retail and spend more money,
> but
>> if its only OEM, you like that cause its going to save you money?
>> dumbass
>
> Lol..
> Good point ;)..
> Sometimes OEM only doesnt mean it will even make it into the market..
> Sometimes OEM means that it will only go to their top players (dell, hp,
> ect)
>
>

Not true. Also, if you own a version of Windows XP, Microsoft is talkig
about letting you trade your 32bit license for the 64bit one.

Here is the low down:

Subject: Update from the Product Management team
From: "Brian Marr \(MSFT\)" > Sent: 6/11/2004
3:11:12 PM



Hi Everyone -

My name is Brian Marr and I work in the Windows Client Product Management
Team - I am the product manager for Windows XP64, which means that I am
responsible for making the decisions that will affect how you get your hands
on the product (along with a few other things).

I've been reading these threads and wanted to clarify some things about
availability. Below is a summary of what we have planned. I hope this will
answer your questions.

BETA PROGRAMSz
Today we have a customer preview program, which it sounds as though most of
you have taken advantage of. I realize that we have a very old build out
there and I'm working with our release management team to get an update out
asap. I think you are going to be impressed by how much work our
development team has put into the OS since Beta 1 and look forward to
hearing your feedback on it.

There is also a technical beta program - my understanding is that we'll open
this back up again after XP SP2 ships. This is a great way to get builds
more often, but there are some requirements around filing bugs etc that
you'll be responsible for.

FINAL RELEASE
Now to the big question - what happens when this product releases? Here is
what we have planned:

1. The OS will be available on some new OEM PCs. No surprise there ;).
The OEMs are responsible for deciding which systems they want to support it
on.

2. The OS will be part of MSDN

3. The OS will be part of Software Assurance

4. The OS will be sold through System Builders and Distributors.
You can either purchase it pre-installed on a system builder PC or just
purchase the OS with some piece of hardware. As Darrell mentioned on
another thread, this can really be anything (a cable, for example). If your
system builder of choice wants to only sell it with high-end components, I'd
suggest finding a new place to buy your equipment.

5. There will not be a retail fully-packaged product.
I've read some interesting posts here where some of you sound angry because
we're not doing a retail box. This really surprises me - SB/Disti is the
easiest and least expensive way to get your new OS, especially if you build
your own PCs.

"EXISTING 64-BIT SYSTEMS..."
Finally - I am working on something that would let you trade your 32-bit XP
Pro license for 64-bit. Nothing final here... no details... but the point
is that we want to take care of the people who go out and buy or build x64
systems before we ship.

At the end of the day my colleagues and I work on this project for a
reason - we (you and I) are the people driving the transition into the next
phase in computing. Our job isn't to squeeze money from your pockets or
make this hard for you - we want to make it *very* easy.

Hopefully consolidating some of this info will help. If you have any other
questions about our plans, feel free to ask. If I can answer them, I will.
Have fun with the OS... I'm looking forward to organizing a friendly game of
64-bit UT04 pre-release with anyone interested sometime soon :).

Brian

rstlne
July 6th 04, 12:06 AM
"James" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> so if it was retail and OEM, you'd buy the retail and spend more money,
but
> if its only OEM, you like that cause its going to save you money?
> dumbass

Lol..
Good point ;)..
Sometimes OEM only doesnt mean it will even make it into the market..
Sometimes OEM means that it will only go to their top players (dell, hp,
ect)

Pseudo Namen
July 6th 04, 01:20 AM
"rstlne" > wrote in message
...
> Taken from
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/howtobuy/default.mspx
> "Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004 is a new Windows XP operating system
> available only on Media Center personal computers. Because of its special
> hardware feature requirements, Media Center PCs running Windows XP Media
> Center Edition 2004 are available only from Microsoft PC manufacturer
> partners."
>
>
>
>
> So your saying they wouldnt do something like....
> So .. Yes it does happen...
> "Windows XP 64 is a new Windows XP operating system available only on 64
> bit
> personal computers. Because of its special hardware feature requirements,
> 64
> bit personal computers running Windows XP 64 are available only from
> Microsoft PC manufacturer partners.""
>
>

You seem to be leaving out the fact that the person in charge of Windows XP
64bit Extended edtion stated that this OS will be available by just
purchasing a 2 dollar cable. Just as I purchased Windows XP Pro OEM with a
3 dollar mouse.

"4. The OS will be sold through System Builders and Distributors.
You can either purchase it pre-installed on a system builder PC or just
purchase the OS with some piece of hardware. As Darrell mentioned on
another thread, this can really be anything (a cable, for example).... "


And you leave out the part about trading the license.

" "EXISTING 64-BIT SYSTEMS..."
Finally - I am working on something that would let you trade your 32-bit XP
Pro license for 64-bit. Nothing final here... no details... but the point
is that we want to take care of the people who go out and buy or build x64
systems before we ship."


I ask why, to the above?

And I close with another quote:

"At the end of the day my colleagues and I work on this project for a
reason - we (you and I) are the people driving the transition into the next
phase in computing. Our job isn't to squeeze money from your pockets or
make this hard for you - we want to make it *very* easy."

rstlne
July 6th 04, 01:23 AM
Taken from
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/howtobuy/default.mspx
"Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004 is a new Windows XP operating system
available only on Media Center personal computers. Because of its special
hardware feature requirements, Media Center PCs running Windows XP Media
Center Edition 2004 are available only from Microsoft PC manufacturer
partners."




So your saying they wouldnt do something like....
So .. Yes it does happen...
"Windows XP 64 is a new Windows XP operating system available only on 64 bit
personal computers. Because of its special hardware feature requirements, 64
bit personal computers running Windows XP 64 are available only from
Microsoft PC manufacturer partners.""

Wes Newell
July 6th 04, 02:28 AM
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:55:32 +0000, Steven Kinch wrote:

> so what are you all using to get the best out of these expensive and very
> impressive chips?

I'm still using Linux, but went back to 32bit version because there's no
64bit flash player yet. I'm still on mdk 9.2 though. I've also got w98
installed. Guess it still works. Haven't used it since I installed it.:-)
Don't own any of the newer versions of win. And don't intend to.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

Jason Cothran
July 6th 04, 02:37 AM
"James" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
| so if it was retail and OEM, you'd buy the retail and spend more money,
but
| if its only OEM, you like that cause its going to save you money?
| <edit vulgarity>


Who ****ed you off enough to spout vulgarities at someone who was just
letting some uninformed person know that OEM only is not a bad thing?

James
July 6th 04, 05:43 PM
i end all my posts with dumbass,
dumbass

"Jason Cothran" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "James" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> | so if it was retail and OEM, you'd buy the retail and spend more money,
> but
> | if its only OEM, you like that cause its going to save you money?
> | <edit vulgarity>
>
>
> Who ****ed you off enough to spout vulgarities at someone who was just
> letting some uninformed person know that OEM only is not a bad thing?
>
>

Jason Cothran
July 6th 04, 10:25 PM
"James" > wrote in message
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| i end all my posts with dumbass,
| dumbass
|

Inferiority complex I guess

Ed Light
July 6th 04, 11:02 PM
"James" > wrote in message
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> i end all my posts with dumbass,
> dumbass

Oh me -- shocking -- filtering it out.

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Jason Cothran
July 7th 04, 03:05 AM
"Ed Light" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
|
| "James" > wrote in message
| news:[email protected]
| > i end all my posts with <censor>,
| > <censor>|
| Oh me -- shocking -- filtering it out.
|
Been there, done that already ;) . Uncalled for completely if you asked me
(which you didn't, lol). Thank goodness for killfiles.

James
July 7th 04, 04:04 PM
yeah, where would we be without them
dumbass

"Jason Cothran" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ed Light" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> |
> | "James" > wrote in message
> | news:[email protected]
> | > i end all my posts with <censor>,
> | > <censor>|
> | Oh me -- shocking -- filtering it out.
> |
> Been there, done that already ;) . Uncalled for completely if you asked me
> (which you didn't, lol). Thank goodness for killfiles.
>
>

Ed Light
July 7th 04, 07:14 PM
Ed - join us! Filter James out!


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"Ed" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:04:44 GMT, "James" > wrote:
>
> Are you a fan of That 70's Show? dumbass?
>
> >yeah, where would we be without them
> >dumbass
>
> >
> >"Jason Cothran" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Ed Light" > wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> |
> >> | "James" > wrote in message
> >> | news:[email protected]
> >> | > i end all my posts with <censor>,
> >> | > <censor>|
> >> | Oh me -- shocking -- filtering it out.
> >> |
> >> Been there, done that already ;) . Uncalled for completely if you asked
me
> >> (which you didn't, lol). Thank goodness for killfiles.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Jason Cothran
July 8th 04, 02:16 AM
Is there any way to filter out posts like the one from Ed that contains
quotes from an ignored poster? It kind of defeats the purpose of dumping
idiots like him when his babble is still readable through replies from
others.

David Efflandt
July 8th 04, 04:57 AM
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004, Steven Kinch > wrote:
> OK. What are you all using? When I was on a 32 bit system I dual booted
> windows XP (and over the years all of its predecessors) and various
> flavours of linux.
>
> I now have and AMD 64 chip and 1 gig of ram and Mandrake 10 works like a
> dream.

My HP a530n came with XP Home, but triple boots 64-bit XP Pro beta (free,
but expires in 360 days) and SuSE X86_64/9.1. Note that 64-bit IE is
incompatible with (apparently 32-bit) ActiveX (so its MediaPlayer and
Macromedia Flash do not work from within IE). But they also include
32-bit IE which does work for video and flash.

Note: Installing 64-bit XP on a previously created, but unformated NTFS
partition changed my disk geometry from 240 heads to 255 heads and
different number of cylinders, so partitions no longer ended on cylinder
boundaries, and it could not even reboot itself (much less XP Home). I
had to do some guessing to correct the geometry with fdisk from a Linux
rescue CD. Then everything worked fine (no data loss).

SuSE's partitioner during install tried to do the same thing, but I
recognized the wrong cylinder numbers it displayed (even though its fdisk
showed correct geometry), so I configured it to use an existing partition,
where I installed GRUB and made the active boot partition. So it is
running fine, even without a swap partition.

--
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BF
September 5th 04, 09:47 PM
>
> At the end of the day my colleagues and I work on this project for a
> reason - we (you and I) are the people driving the transition into the next
> phase in computing. Our job isn't to squeeze money from your pockets or
> make this hard for you - we want to make it *very* easy.
>
Does Bill know what you are doing? Since when did Microsoft not want to
squeeze money from our pockets or make anything *very* easy. Refreshing
ideas but I will believe it when I see it.