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Menuz2
May 12th 04, 09:25 PM
If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32 bit and
new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is available in
source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64 release.
Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just wondering
about the new 64 OSes?

Nuz

General Schvantzkoph
May 12th 04, 11:26 PM
On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:25:51 -0400, Menuz2 wrote:

> If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32 bit and
> new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is available in
> source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64 release.
> Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just wondering
> about the new 64 OSes?
>
> Nuz

It's not a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue. The real problem is likely to be with
the libraries that the binary applications require. For example I use a
number of binary applications, Cadence's NCsim and Xilinx's tool suite. On
Mandrake 10 (32 bit version on a standard Xeon or PIII) I can't run the
GUI tools in Xilinx's suite but I can run everything in the Cadence tool
set. The issue has to do with some library that changed between between
Mandrake 9.2 and 10, Xilinx relies on it, Cadence doesn't. In theory there
should be no problem running both 32 and 64 bit binaries on a 64 bit OS
but you won't know for your applications unless you try them.

Van Souza
May 12th 04, 11:28 PM
Yes, unlike MS Win64 for AMD, Linux 64 will run 32 bit programs.

Menuz2 wrote:
> If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32 bit and
> new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is available in
> source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64 release.
> Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just wondering
> about the new 64 OSes?
>
> Nuz
>
>

Kevin Rogers
May 12th 04, 11:32 PM
Win64 for AMD does run 32-bit software.

"Van Souza" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Yes, unlike MS Win64 for AMD, Linux 64 will run 32 bit programs.
>
> Menuz2 wrote:
> > If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32 bit
and
> > new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is available
in
> > source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64
release.
> > Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just
wondering
> > about the new 64 OSes?
> >
> > Nuz
> >
> >
>

Wayne @ W.
May 13th 04, 12:51 AM
Win64 for AMD does run 32bit programs.
1. Office 2002 Pro
2. Red Alert 2 & addon Yuri's Revenge
3. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition
4. Simcity 3000

And I am sure it does many many more, but those I tested myself. <g>

Wayne


"Van Souza" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Yes, unlike MS Win64 for AMD, Linux 64 will run 32 bit programs.
>
> Menuz2 wrote:
> > If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32 bit
and
> > new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is available
in
> > source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64
release.
> > Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just
wondering
> > about the new 64 OSes?
> >
> > Nuz
> >
> >
>

bebopper
May 13th 04, 01:07 AM
On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:51:56 -0500, "Wayne @ W." >
wrote:

>Win64 for AMD does run 32bit programs.
>1. Office 2002 Pro
>2. Red Alert 2 & addon Yuri's Revenge
>3. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition
>4. Simcity 3000
>
>And I am sure it does many many more, but those I tested myself. <g>
>
>Wayne
>

True ... There just aren't a whole lot of DRIVERS for 64-bit
Windows yet ...

- bebopper

Wayne @ W.
May 13th 04, 01:21 AM
That is so true. Fortuneatly it has drivers that come with it for my ATI AIW
8500DV 64mb card, and Creative released drivers for my Auidgy 2 ZS sound
card, and Nvidia released updated 64bit drivers for my Nforce 3 250 Chipset
mobo. :o) Oh, and it came with drivers for my HP 932c Deskjet printer.

Wayne

"bebopper" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:51:56 -0500, "Wayne @ W." >
> wrote:
>
> >Win64 for AMD does run 32bit programs.
> >1. Office 2002 Pro
> >2. Red Alert 2 & addon Yuri's Revenge
> >3. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition
> >4. Simcity 3000
> >
> >And I am sure it does many many more, but those I tested myself. <g>
> >
> >Wayne
> >
>
> True ... There just aren't a whole lot of DRIVERS for 64-bit
> Windows yet ...
>
> - bebopper
>

Ian Hastie
May 13th 04, 05:31 PM
On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:26:55 -0400, General Schvantzkoph wrote:

> It's not a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue. The real problem is likely to be with
> the libraries that the binary applications require. For example I use a
> number of binary applications, Cadence's NCsim and Xilinx's tool suite. On
> Mandrake 10 (32 bit version on a standard Xeon or PIII) I can't run the
> GUI tools in Xilinx's suite but I can run everything in the Cadence tool
> set. The issue has to do with some library that changed between between
> Mandrake 9.2 and 10, Xilinx relies on it, Cadence doesn't. In theory there
> should be no problem running both 32 and 64 bit binaries on a 64 bit OS
> but you won't know for your applications unless you try them.

So Xilinx relies on a 32bit library that AMD64 Mandrake 10 doesn't have.
Get a binary image of the old lib and install it. Better yet get the
source for the older version and compile a 32bit image and it should work.
Try doing that with most MS Windows programmes. This is the real
advantage of open source, you're not tied to the whims of a third party.

--
Ian.

EOM

Wayne @ W.
May 13th 04, 06:30 PM
"Ian Hastie" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:26:55 -0400, General Schvantzkoph wrote:
>
> > It's not a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue. The real problem is likely to be with
> > the libraries that the binary applications require. For example I use a
> > number of binary applications, Cadence's NCsim and Xilinx's tool suite.
On
> > Mandrake 10 (32 bit version on a standard Xeon or PIII) I can't run the
> > GUI tools in Xilinx's suite but I can run everything in the Cadence tool
> > set. The issue has to do with some library that changed between between
> > Mandrake 9.2 and 10, Xilinx relies on it, Cadence doesn't. In theory
there
> > should be no problem running both 32 and 64 bit binaries on a 64 bit OS
> > but you won't know for your applications unless you try them.
>
> So Xilinx relies on a 32bit library that AMD64 Mandrake 10 doesn't have.
> Get a binary image of the old lib and install it. Better yet get the
> source for the older version and compile a 32bit image and it should work.
> Try doing that with most MS Windows programmes. This is the real
> advantage of open source, you're not tied to the whims of a third party.
>
> --
> Ian.
>
> EOM
>

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Chuck Schneider
May 14th 04, 03:37 AM
Also MS Train-Sim and Flight Sim! :-)

"Wayne @ W." > wrote in message
...
> Win64 for AMD does run 32bit programs.
> 1. Office 2002 Pro
> 2. Red Alert 2 & addon Yuri's Revenge
> 3. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition
> 4. Simcity 3000
>
> And I am sure it does many many more, but those I tested myself. <g>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Van Souza" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Yes, unlike MS Win64 for AMD, Linux 64 will run 32 bit programs.
> >
> > Menuz2 wrote:
> > > If I load a 64 bit Linux, such as SUSE, will it run both existing 32
bit
> and
> > > new 64 bit binaries. Not every program I would like to use is
available
> in
> > > source. Most but not all. The same question for the beta XP 86-64
> release.
> > > Normal Win32 OS's did a good job running 16 programs, I am just
> wondering
> > > about the new 64 OSes?
> > >
> > > Nuz
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

John Dallman
May 14th 04, 12:02 PM
"Menuz2" > wrote

> The same question for the beta XP 86-64 release. Normal Win32 OS's did a
> good job running 16 programs, I am just wondering about the new 64 OSes?

They run 32-bit code just fine, but they won't run 16-bit DOS or Windows
binaries.

John