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Skybuck Flying
August 4th 04, 02:37 AM
Ok people here's the deal:

1. I play Doom 3 at my own house... with my crappy PC.... ( 5 or 6 or 7
year old not sure ;) )

CPU: Pentium III 450 mhz
RAM: 256 MB
3D Card: (new) GeForce FX 5200
Monitor: Liyama Vision Master 400

2. I play Doom 3 at my parents house... with their (somewhat ;) ) decent
PC...

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (2.16 GHz)
RAM Memory: 256 MB
3D Card: ATI Radeon 9000
Monitor: HP Pavilion mx70

1. First I play at my pc... everything is very dark. I can hardly see ****
and need to use the flashlight a lot... fps is also low but I dont care
about that.

2. Then I play at my parents pc... everything is very bright !... It's 100x
times more beautifull than at my crappy pc.... because of the brightness !
there are still dark places... but not as dark as case 1.

Fortunately I have posted screenshots of the games progress on both pc's.

At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked bright and very
beautifull !
At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked bright and very
beautifull !

At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked dark, and half not
visible !
At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked dark, and half not
visible !

WHAT THE **** ?!?!?!?!?!

I saw two possibilities:

A. Nvidia cards display darker than ATI cards.

B. The Liyama Vision Master displays darker.

I have always had this problem with games: To dark on my PC.

I am pretty sure B is the case here...

My Liyama Vision Master 400 is just not good enough for displaying Doom 3 :(

I wonder:

B1. The monitor is just old... full with dust and worn out stuff. ?

B2. The monitor always sucked ?

Well there isn't much I can do about it... the colors simply suck balls.

I have played around with increasing/decreasing brightness, gamma,
contrast...in 3d Card menu and monitor...

Whatever I do it sux balls... to much brightness is bad for the eyes <- too
white.

less contrast <- more difference between colors odd enough, but gray.
more contrast <- everything gets dark, but white.

NO WAIT A SECOND !!!

That's funny !

I have found the culprit !!!

It's the gamma level !

When I set gamma at 2.0 in Windows everything looks just as good as on
decent pc... maybe even better !!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW BIG DIFFERENCE !!!

And the good thing is:

Windows XP desktop still looks normal/good... everything that's white is
white... everything that s blue is blue !

Now I am really starting to wonder why this is ???

THIS IS SO WEIRD !

I can vaguely remember that I installed Adobe Color Managment once and ever
since that happened it ****ed up my gamma somehow ?

WOW

The gray volume icon in the taskbar does look a little vage now... but I ll
take it :D

When I played at decent pc (2) I could see the body of this dead zombie:

On crappy pc(1) I could only see the head (left).

http://coolingfanboycott.freewebspace.com/YeahCutThroughThatMeat2.jpg

People can use that screenshot to change their gamma level !

Doom 3 REALLY NEEDS something like that !

A gamma orientation screen... like splinter cell has....

Like some x-x-x-es some x bright, some x medium and some x dark !

I am also making a cool doom 3 the story in pictures website :D

I will 'release' it soon :D so stay tuned =D

PRIVATE1964
August 4th 04, 04:24 AM
If you ever used Adobe Gamma it is probably still loading when you start your
computer.
Look in the startup folder if it is still loading it will be in there.
It won't change anything with a monitor unless it is loading.
Monitors just like TV's can also lose brightness as they get older. They say
you should never set a TV or monitor to high brightness because it will make
the brightness age quicker.

Robertjr
August 4th 04, 07:23 AM
I was wondering the same thing. My systems specs are pretty good. My monitor
isn't that old. Yet I need a friggin flashlight for most of the game so far.
This blows! I tried resetting the gamma level and it was too bright on my
desktop.
: (
"Skybuck Flying" > wrote in message
...
> Ok people here's the deal:
>
> 1. I play Doom 3 at my own house... with my crappy PC.... ( 5 or 6 or 7
> year old not sure ;) )
>
> CPU: Pentium III 450 mhz
> RAM: 256 MB
> 3D Card: (new) GeForce FX 5200
> Monitor: Liyama Vision Master 400
>
> 2. I play Doom 3 at my parents house... with their (somewhat ;) ) decent
> PC...
>
> CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (2.16 GHz)
> RAM Memory: 256 MB
> 3D Card: ATI Radeon 9000
> Monitor: HP Pavilion mx70
>
> 1. First I play at my pc... everything is very dark. I can hardly see ****
> and need to use the flashlight a lot... fps is also low but I dont care
> about that.
>
> 2. Then I play at my parents pc... everything is very bright !... It's
100x
> times more beautifull than at my crappy pc.... because of the brightness !
> there are still dark places... but not as dark as case 1.
>
> Fortunately I have posted screenshots of the games progress on both pc's.
>
> At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked bright and very
> beautifull !
> At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked bright and very
> beautifull !
>
> At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked dark, and half not
> visible !
> At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked dark, and half not
> visible !
>
> WHAT THE **** ?!?!?!?!?!
>
> I saw two possibilities:
>
> A. Nvidia cards display darker than ATI cards.
>
> B. The Liyama Vision Master displays darker.
>
> I have always had this problem with games: To dark on my PC.
>
> I am pretty sure B is the case here...
>
> My Liyama Vision Master 400 is just not good enough for displaying Doom 3
:(
>
> I wonder:
>
> B1. The monitor is just old... full with dust and worn out stuff. ?
>
> B2. The monitor always sucked ?
>
> Well there isn't much I can do about it... the colors simply suck balls.
>
> I have played around with increasing/decreasing brightness, gamma,
> contrast...in 3d Card menu and monitor...
>
> Whatever I do it sux balls... to much brightness is bad for the eyes <-
too
> white.
>
> less contrast <- more difference between colors odd enough, but gray.
> more contrast <- everything gets dark, but white.
>
> NO WAIT A SECOND !!!
>
> That's funny !
>
> I have found the culprit !!!
>
> It's the gamma level !
>
> When I set gamma at 2.0 in Windows everything looks just as good as on
> decent pc... maybe even better !!!!
>
> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW BIG DIFFERENCE !!!
>
> And the good thing is:
>
> Windows XP desktop still looks normal/good... everything that's white is
> white... everything that s blue is blue !
>
> Now I am really starting to wonder why this is ???
>
> THIS IS SO WEIRD !
>
> I can vaguely remember that I installed Adobe Color Managment once and
ever
> since that happened it ****ed up my gamma somehow ?
>
> WOW
>
> The gray volume icon in the taskbar does look a little vage now... but I
ll
> take it :D
>
> When I played at decent pc (2) I could see the body of this dead zombie:
>
> On crappy pc(1) I could only see the head (left).
>
> http://coolingfanboycott.freewebspace.com/YeahCutThroughThatMeat2.jpg
>
> People can use that screenshot to change their gamma level !
>
> Doom 3 REALLY NEEDS something like that !
>
> A gamma orientation screen... like splinter cell has....
>
> Like some x-x-x-es some x bright, some x medium and some x dark !
>
> I am also making a cool doom 3 the story in pictures website :D
>
> I will 'release' it soon :D so stay tuned =D
>
>

Eric
August 4th 04, 02:40 PM
Why not use a game setting with higher gamma, and then a normal desktop
setting? With nvidia drivers you can set that easily. Right click on the
task bar icon and choose your color setting before launching doom3.

I have a "doom3" color setting, and then use "restore hardware defaults" for
my normal desktop. Set it up in the color correction page of the Nvidia
drivers -- save your higher gamma as "doom3" or whatever you want to call
it.

"Robertjr" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> I was wondering the same thing. My systems specs are pretty good. My
monitor
> isn't that old. Yet I need a friggin flashlight for most of the game so
far.
> This blows! I tried resetting the gamma level and it was too bright on my
> desktop.
> : (
> "Skybuck Flying" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ok people here's the deal:
> >
> > 1. I play Doom 3 at my own house... with my crappy PC.... ( 5 or 6 or 7
> > year old not sure ;) )
> >
> > CPU: Pentium III 450 mhz
> > RAM: 256 MB
> > 3D Card: (new) GeForce FX 5200
> > Monitor: Liyama Vision Master 400
> >
> > 2. I play Doom 3 at my parents house... with their (somewhat ;) ) decent
> > PC...
> >
> > CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (2.16 GHz)
> > RAM Memory: 256 MB
> > 3D Card: ATI Radeon 9000
> > Monitor: HP Pavilion mx70
> >
> > 1. First I play at my pc... everything is very dark. I can hardly see
****
> > and need to use the flashlight a lot... fps is also low but I dont care
> > about that.
> >
> > 2. Then I play at my parents pc... everything is very bright !... It's
> 100x
> > times more beautifull than at my crappy pc.... because of the brightness
!
> > there are still dark places... but not as dark as case 1.
> >
> > Fortunately I have posted screenshots of the games progress on both
pc's.
> >
> > At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked bright and very
> > beautifull !
> > At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked bright and very
> > beautifull !
> >
> > At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked dark, and half
not
> > visible !
> > At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked dark, and half
not
> > visible !
> >
> > WHAT THE **** ?!?!?!?!?!
> >
> > I saw two possibilities:
> >
> > A. Nvidia cards display darker than ATI cards.
> >
> > B. The Liyama Vision Master displays darker.
> >
> > I have always had this problem with games: To dark on my PC.
> >
> > I am pretty sure B is the case here...
> >
> > My Liyama Vision Master 400 is just not good enough for displaying Doom
3
> :(
> >
> > I wonder:
> >
> > B1. The monitor is just old... full with dust and worn out stuff. ?
> >
> > B2. The monitor always sucked ?
> >
> > Well there isn't much I can do about it... the colors simply suck balls.
> >
> > I have played around with increasing/decreasing brightness, gamma,
> > contrast...in 3d Card menu and monitor...
> >
> > Whatever I do it sux balls... to much brightness is bad for the eyes <-
> too
> > white.
> >
> > less contrast <- more difference between colors odd enough, but gray.
> > more contrast <- everything gets dark, but white.
> >
> > NO WAIT A SECOND !!!
> >
> > That's funny !
> >
> > I have found the culprit !!!
> >
> > It's the gamma level !
> >
> > When I set gamma at 2.0 in Windows everything looks just as good as on
> > decent pc... maybe even better !!!!
> >
> > WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW BIG DIFFERENCE !!!
> >
> > And the good thing is:
> >
> > Windows XP desktop still looks normal/good... everything that's white is
> > white... everything that s blue is blue !
> >
> > Now I am really starting to wonder why this is ???
> >
> > THIS IS SO WEIRD !
> >
> > I can vaguely remember that I installed Adobe Color Managment once and
> ever
> > since that happened it ****ed up my gamma somehow ?
> >
> > WOW
> >
> > The gray volume icon in the taskbar does look a little vage now... but I
> ll
> > take it :D
> >
> > When I played at decent pc (2) I could see the body of this dead zombie:
> >
> > On crappy pc(1) I could only see the head (left).
> >
> > http://coolingfanboycott.freewebspace.com/YeahCutThroughThatMeat2.jpg
> >
> > People can use that screenshot to change their gamma level !
> >
> > Doom 3 REALLY NEEDS something like that !
> >
> > A gamma orientation screen... like splinter cell has....
> >
> > Like some x-x-x-es some x bright, some x medium and some x dark !
> >
> > I am also making a cool doom 3 the story in pictures website :D
> >
> > I will 'release' it soon :D so stay tuned =D
> >
> >
>
>

Granulated
August 4th 04, 04:34 PM
Open GL games are generally a lot darker (on install) than DX.
THere are so many ways of fixing it.

YOu can set up a colour preset using the NV control panel for starters

YOu could also use the in game console gamma command.
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BelaLvgosi
August 4th 04, 09:59 PM
"Granulated" > wrote in message
...
>
> Open GL games are generally a lot darker (on install) than DX.
> THere are so many ways of fixing it.
>
> YOu can set up a colour preset using the NV control panel for starters
>
> YOu could also use the in game console gamma command.
> --
>
>
> ) ___ ______
> (__/_____) /) (, / )
> / __ _ (/ _ /---( __ _/_ _
> / (_(_/ (_(__/ )_(_(_ ) / ____)(_(_/ (_(__/_)_
> (______) (_/ (
>

Just one thing, more than contrast and brightness, most monitors allow you
to override the usual 6500k or 9300k with defined R/G/B values. Sometimes
9300k wich is always set by standard corresponds only to 70% on all channels
as on this lg 775n. Manually increasing these values will yeld a much
brighter monitor and might even improve definition.

CapFusion
August 5th 04, 12:17 AM
Chance are - It have to be your monitor.
It should not be too dark that you often need flashlight.

CapFusion,...


"Skybuck Flying" > wrote in message
...
> Ok people here's the deal:
>
> 1. I play Doom 3 at my own house... with my crappy PC.... ( 5 or 6 or 7
> year old not sure ;) )
>
> CPU: Pentium III 450 mhz
> RAM: 256 MB
> 3D Card: (new) GeForce FX 5200
> Monitor: Liyama Vision Master 400
>
> 2. I play Doom 3 at my parents house... with their (somewhat ;) ) decent
> PC...
>
> CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (2.16 GHz)
> RAM Memory: 256 MB
> 3D Card: ATI Radeon 9000
> Monitor: HP Pavilion mx70
>
> 1. First I play at my pc... everything is very dark. I can hardly see ****
> and need to use the flashlight a lot... fps is also low but I dont care
> about that.
>
> 2. Then I play at my parents pc... everything is very bright !... It's
100x
> times more beautifull than at my crappy pc.... because of the brightness !
> there are still dark places... but not as dark as case 1.
>
> Fortunately I have posted screenshots of the games progress on both pc's.
>
> At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked bright and very
> beautifull !
> At pc 2, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked bright and very
> beautifull !
>
> At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 1. They looked dark, and half not
> visible !
> At pc 1, I looked at screenshots of pc 2. They looked dark, and half not
> visible !
>
> WHAT THE **** ?!?!?!?!?!
>
> I saw two possibilities:
>
> A. Nvidia cards display darker than ATI cards.
>
> B. The Liyama Vision Master displays darker.
>
> I have always had this problem with games: To dark on my PC.
>
> I am pretty sure B is the case here...
>
> My Liyama Vision Master 400 is just not good enough for displaying Doom 3
:(
>
> I wonder:
>
> B1. The monitor is just old... full with dust and worn out stuff. ?
>
> B2. The monitor always sucked ?
>
> Well there isn't much I can do about it... the colors simply suck balls.
>
> I have played around with increasing/decreasing brightness, gamma,
> contrast...in 3d Card menu and monitor...
>
> Whatever I do it sux balls... to much brightness is bad for the eyes <-
too
> white.
>
> less contrast <- more difference between colors odd enough, but gray.
> more contrast <- everything gets dark, but white.
>
> NO WAIT A SECOND !!!
>
> That's funny !
>
> I have found the culprit !!!
>
> It's the gamma level !
>
> When I set gamma at 2.0 in Windows everything looks just as good as on
> decent pc... maybe even better !!!!
>
> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW BIG DIFFERENCE !!!
>
> And the good thing is:
>
> Windows XP desktop still looks normal/good... everything that's white is
> white... everything that s blue is blue !
>
> Now I am really starting to wonder why this is ???
>
> THIS IS SO WEIRD !
>
> I can vaguely remember that I installed Adobe Color Managment once and
ever
> since that happened it ****ed up my gamma somehow ?
>
> WOW
>
> The gray volume icon in the taskbar does look a little vage now... but I
ll
> take it :D
>
> When I played at decent pc (2) I could see the body of this dead zombie:
>
> On crappy pc(1) I could only see the head (left).
>
> http://coolingfanboycott.freewebspace.com/YeahCutThroughThatMeat2.jpg
>
> People can use that screenshot to change their gamma level !
>
> Doom 3 REALLY NEEDS something like that !
>
> A gamma orientation screen... like splinter cell has....
>
> Like some x-x-x-es some x bright, some x medium and some x dark !
>
> I am also making a cool doom 3 the story in pictures website :D
>
> I will 'release' it soon :D so stay tuned =D
>
>