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George C. Sievers
June 26th 03, 06:05 PM
I want to congratulate NVIDIA for being the only major company I have ever
seen that claims they do not produce anything so - they don't have to
support anything. There is NO PLACE I COULD FIND on their website for me to
return information to them on problems I had with their 44.03 driver. If
NVIDIA did not write this driver, then WHO DID?

I can guarantee that my next video card upgrade will not be NVIDIA. They
make no effort to provide their customers with any information at all about
problems with their most recent "universal driver" and Directx 9.0. After
upgrading my machine to their 44.03 driver (which they claim no
responsibililty for) and then installing Directx 9.0 none of the Direct3d
tests would run without failure. I reinstalled Directx 9.0 and still no
Direct3D. Finally, I reverted to NVIDIA's 40.72 and everything works. The
ONLY plus I give NVIDIA is the ease with which I was able to downgrade.
When I look for a place to post my problem on their web site so that other
users can be informed, THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE.

BTW, I have the following setup:

Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
Normal mode

AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1.0 GHZ
512MB RAM- 133 FSB - DDR

NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 64MB

678
June 26th 03, 08:42 PM
George C. Sievers wrote:
> I want to congratulate NVIDIA for being the only major company I have ever
> seen that claims they do not produce anything so - they don't have to
> support anything. There is NO PLACE I COULD FIND on their website for me to
> return information to them on problems I had with their 44.03 driver. If
> NVIDIA did not write this driver, then WHO DID?
> [snip]

But, you could always use the drivers supplied by your video card
manufacturers, could you not? The manufacturers do provide their own
drivers, don't they? But you still chose to use the "original one" from
Nvidia, did you not?

I'll never say never again. Life's too many rules already, why should I
give myself another one?



Brian

Derek Wildstar
June 26th 03, 08:58 PM
"George C. Sievers" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> I want to congratulate NVIDIA for being the only major company I have ever
> seen that claims they do not produce anything so - they don't have to
> support anything. There is NO PLACE I COULD FIND on their website for me
to
> return information to them on problems I had with their 44.03 driver. If
> NVIDIA did not write this driver, then WHO DID?

Do not let your frustration cloud your reasoning. Such hyperbole doesn't
help you present your case, which you have, in spite of your mini-rant.

No, there is no bug-reporting on nvidia's website accessable to the general
public. Nor, will you find one at ATIs for their catalyst suite either.

To answer your question, nvidia does write their detonator drivers, and they
have a very large department made up of dozens, potentially 100 persons who
do nothing but toil upon them, in various degrees of involvement. At one
point, nvidia reported nearly 300 persons working in the driver development
dept.


> I can guarantee that my next video card upgrade will not be NVIDIA. They
> make no effort to provide their customers with any information at all
about
> problems with their most recent "universal driver" and Directx 9.0. After
> upgrading my machine to their 44.03 driver (which they claim no
> responsibililty for) and then installing Directx 9.0 none of the Direct3d
> tests would run without failure. I reinstalled Directx 9.0 and still no
> Direct3D. Finally, I reverted to NVIDIA's 40.72 and everything works. The
> ONLY plus I give NVIDIA is the ease with which I was able to downgrade.
> When I look for a place to post my problem on their web site so that other
> users can be informed, THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE.

There are several places to provide feedback on drivers. If you have a
specific technical query from a developers perspective, you would already
know how and to whom to address your issues.

As an end user, who has taken it upon themselves to self-upgrade, you have
the responsibility to self-police. By investigating on-line resources, such
as guru3d, hardocp, anadtech, tom's hardware, firingsquad, hexus.net,
nforcehq and, not in the least, usenet you would have a vast library of user
input to help you troubleshoot and correct any potential problem.

Which, it seems, you corrected. Congratulations on your technical victory.


>
> BTW, I have the following setup:
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
> Normal mode
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1.0 GHZ
> 512MB RAM- 133 FSB - DDR
>
> NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 64MB
>


If you had done your research, you would have already understood that the
44.XX's are optimzed and WHQL'ed for the more current nvidia cards, of
which, yours isn't.

In addition, Win9x is no longer officially supported by Microsoft, so any
DirectX problem is going to have to be self-managed as well.

I can understand completely your position, however, it is the reality of the
modern marketplace, that older equipment, such as yours, is too burdensome
for the manufacturer to support when the enthusiast and technical community
has already archived the solutions and moved on.

So, you had a problem with your dated equipment and non WHQL drivers,
couldn't find the solution on the manufacturer's web site, fixed it
yourself, and then complained. You then state you will not support nvidia
for their lack of support. I counter that there is much more support from
nvidia and the technical-irregulars, such as in this very forum, then you
will find from any other vendor.

Think on that for awhile.

Philip Sack
June 26th 03, 09:42 PM
I'd like to point out he is using a basically discontinued OS, win 98 has
problems with the newer stuff. I tried to throw on detonator drivers on a
98 machine, and it got so bad I had to reformat cause the system got messed
up.

"George C. Sievers" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> I want to congratulate NVIDIA for being the only major company I have ever
> seen that claims they do not produce anything so - they don't have to
> support anything. There is NO PLACE I COULD FIND on their website for me
to
> return information to them on problems I had with their 44.03 driver. If
> NVIDIA did not write this driver, then WHO DID?
>
> I can guarantee that my next video card upgrade will not be NVIDIA. They
> make no effort to provide their customers with any information at all
about
> problems with their most recent "universal driver" and Directx 9.0. After
> upgrading my machine to their 44.03 driver (which they claim no
> responsibililty for) and then installing Directx 9.0 none of the Direct3d
> tests would run without failure. I reinstalled Directx 9.0 and still no
> Direct3D. Finally, I reverted to NVIDIA's 40.72 and everything works. The
> ONLY plus I give NVIDIA is the ease with which I was able to downgrade.
> When I look for a place to post my problem on their web site so that other
> users can be informed, THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE.
>
> BTW, I have the following setup:
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
> Normal mode
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1.0 GHZ
> 512MB RAM- 133 FSB - DDR
>
> NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 64MB
>
>
>
>
>

tq96
June 27th 03, 12:30 AM
> There are several places to provide feedback on drivers. If you have a
> specific technical query from a developers perspective, you would
> already know how and to whom to address your issues.
>
> resources, such as guru3d, hardocp, anadtech, tom's hardware,
> firingsquad, hexus.net, nforcehq and, not in the least, usenet you
There is no way for an end user to report a bug directly to NVidia. This
just hurts all the other end users because bugs go unresolved. Posting
about it in forums like this doesn't help either. Ever since driver 42.01,
the drivers will change the Digital Vibrance setting of the secondary
display to "Low" whenever an overlay is created. We're now up to 44.65 and
this bug hasn't been fixed, thoguh it might have been if there was a way to
tell NVidia about it.

Derek Wildstar
June 27th 03, 12:36 AM
"Roger Squires" > wrote in message
.. .
> > No, there is no bug-reporting on nvidia's website accessable to the
> general
> > public. Nor, will you find one at ATIs for their catalyst suite either.
>
> False. There is a driver feedback email address on the Catalyst
driver
> page. Also, ATI has for a few months at least had a rep actively
soliciting
> bug reports on the rage3d driver forum for each new release.
>
> rms


Indeed you are correct, it's called the "Catalyst Crew" program, which now
includes public participation, which is counter to what I wrote. Here's the
link in case anyone wants to bug cats:

http://apps.ati.com/driverfeedback/

Mark Stier
July 15th 03, 08:30 PM
I once tested a Radeon 7500. ATI's drivers are even worse. At least
they were in my case (no dual boot possible!). nVidia is the best.
Which of course doesn't mean they are anything like perfect. :-(

tq96
July 24th 03, 03:42 AM
> Why not just say, okay, from here on, cards xyz older than Chipset abc
> are no longer supported? Does win98 suddely stop wrking because ther e
> is no longer support from MS? Will it break down the merry moment? No,
> it will run better, because of no more faulty fixes from MS.
> So no, NVIDIA claims to support every GFORCE since the first one, they
> make marketing tales their business, even after 30 or more drivers
> there is a huge performace increase?.

It's a very good thing that NVidia's drivers support every card back to the
TNT. When Windows 2000 came out, the NVidia drivers released at the time
had some serious bugs in them (one that affected me was the random loss of
sync to the monitor while playing videos). If NVidia had dropped support
for my card (TNT2), I'd have been screwed. But, thankfully, the bug was
fixed in the drivers that were released while the new Geforce cards were
being marketed.