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Brad
June 22nd 03, 03:58 PM
It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your card's
TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips) and doesn't
support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they didn't just make the
driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a DVD.


"Pepys" > wrote in message
...
> XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power DVD 5
blah
> blah blah
>
>
> WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?
>
> There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function built in
to
> the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright to be
> played through a computer.
>
> ****, **** and double ****.
>
> The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new 19" TFT
> screen, and now that has been denied me by some ****** deciding to
> arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.
>
> If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.
>
> The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying problem,
is
> to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element of the
> show and take it from there.
>
> If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.
>
>
>
> Sam
>
> PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not correct the
> problem.
>
>

Jay Sottolano
June 22nd 03, 08:30 PM
Brad,
So, for example, I have XP Pro, with Power DVD, and a new ASUS GF4
4200 8x AGP card. In this configuration, if I update to 43.45 for
example, I will/won't be able to watch a commercial DVD on my computer?
I'm not looking to send the signal out to TV or second monitor... Thanks...

Jay S.

Brad wrote:

>It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your card's
>TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips) and doesn't
>support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they didn't just make the
>driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a DVD.
>
>
>"Pepys" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power DVD 5
>>
>>
>blah
>
>
>>blah blah
>>
>>
>>WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?
>>
>>There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function built in
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright to be
>>played through a computer.
>>
>>****, **** and double ****.
>>
>>The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new 19" TFT
>>screen, and now that has been denied me by some ****** deciding to
>>arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.
>>
>>If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.
>>
>>The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying problem,
>>
>>
>is
>
>
>>to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element of the
>>show and take it from there.
>>
>>If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sam
>>
>>PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not correct the
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

678
June 22nd 03, 09:33 PM
Why don't you try using the AsusDVD XP that comes with your card?

I'm using it and nvidia drivers 44.03. Used to have that error message
like everybody does but somehow that problem just disappeared.




Jay Sottolano wrote:
> Brad,
> So, for example, I have XP Pro, with Power DVD, and a new ASUS GF4
> 4200 8x AGP card. In this configuration, if I update to 43.45 for
> example, I will/won't be able to watch a commercial DVD on my computer?
> I'm not looking to send the signal out to TV or second monitor... Thanks...
>
> Jay S.
>
> Brad wrote:
>
>>It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your card's
>>TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips) and doesn't
>>support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they didn't just make the
>>driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a DVD.
>>
>>
>>"Pepys" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>>>XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power DVD 5
>>>
>>>
>>blah
>>
>>
>>>blah blah
>>>
>>>
>>>WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?
>>>
>>>There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function built in
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright to be
>>>played through a computer.
>>>
>>>****, **** and double ****.
>>>
>>>The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new 19" TFT
>>>screen, and now that has been denied me by some ****** deciding to
>>>arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.
>>>
>>>If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.
>>>
>>>The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying problem,
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element of the
>>>show and take it from there.
>>>
>>>If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sam
>>>
>>>PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not correct the
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Brad
June 23rd 03, 01:04 AM
My understanding is it depends on the TV chip on your card. A few people
have tried various macrovision-defeating apps/techniques with success, which
means they may not have had this particular problem in the first place. Most
who have one of the offending chips simply cannot play DVDs without
reverting to the 40.72 drivers, as was the case with me and my Visiontek
GeForce3 Ti200, which has an old Brooktree BT868 chip on it. In some cases
also, nVidia's measures are ineffective (ie, PowerDVD won't work, but WinDVD
will). If you have a newer TV-chip, possibly Phillips, you may have no
problem whatsoever if it supports MV protection.
Again, I don't know why they didn't just disable the TV-out during DVD
playback, instead of disabling DVD playback and ****ing everybody off. I
take it all future cards will be made with MV-conforming TV-out chips. Come
to think of it, my old ATI TV Wonder card used a BT868 chip, yet it had
Macrovision protection in the drivers (see, it can be done).
Its so irritating though, trying to copy a DVD thru TV-out is such a cheap
ritarded Mickey Mouse method, plus its just plain EASIER to rip a DVD even
with a bargain-basement DVD-ROM if you really wanted it that bad. You can't
stop the real criminals from copying them with bad drivers, so why ****
everybody else off? I can't do anything about the BT868 chip on my card, nor
did I even ask for it, and DVD playback/acceleration is one of the main
selling features of a decent graphics card, and now they're trying to take
that away from me? They want to disable functionality on a product I already
own, but I don't see nVidia or Visiontek or the assholes behind Macrovision
lining up to give me a prorated refund because my card now does less than
advertised.
For the time being I can deal with 40.72 drivers, since they're DX90, pretty
fast and all that, but what about a year from now if I'm still not ready to
upgrade and I'm stuck with outdated drivers? What then? This is total BS.
Brad
"Jay Sottolano" > wrote in message
...
Brad,
So, for example, I have XP Pro, with Power DVD, and a new ASUS GF4 4200
8x AGP card. In this configuration, if I update to 43.45 for example, I
will/won't be able to watch a commercial DVD on my computer? I'm not looking
to send the signal out to TV or second monitor... Thanks...

Jay S.

Brad wrote:

It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your card's
TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips) and doesn't
support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they didn't just make the
driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a DVD.


"Pepys" > wrote in message
...

XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power DVD 5

blah

blah blah


WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?

There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function built in

to

the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright to be
played through a computer.

****, **** and double ****.

The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new 19" TFT
screen, and now that has been denied me by some ****** deciding to
arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.

If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.

The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying problem,

is

to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element of the
show and take it from there.

If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.



Sam

PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not correct the
problem.

Jay Sottolano
June 23rd 03, 04:04 AM
Brad,
The ASUS card has the Philips chip, but I haven't upgraded the
drivers yet, past the ones that came with the ASUS card (30.71??). I'm
on a different machine right now, so I'd have to look. If the purpose
was to block copying out the back ports, I think you make several valid
points (I have a Ti200 as well in another machine). I'm curious as to
whether the Philips chip eliminates the problem... Thanks for the
explanation...

Jay S,

Brad wrote:

>My understanding is it depends on the TV chip on your card. A few people
>have tried various macrovision-defeating apps/techniques with success, which
>means they may not have had this particular problem in the first place. Most
>who have one of the offending chips simply cannot play DVDs without
>reverting to the 40.72 drivers, as was the case with me and my Visiontek
>GeForce3 Ti200, which has an old Brooktree BT868 chip on it. In some cases
>also, nVidia's measures are ineffective (ie, PowerDVD won't work, but WinDVD
>will). If you have a newer TV-chip, possibly Phillips, you may have no
>problem whatsoever if it supports MV protection.
>Again, I don't know why they didn't just disable the TV-out during DVD
>playback, instead of disabling DVD playback and ****ing everybody off. I
>take it all future cards will be made with MV-conforming TV-out chips. Come
>to think of it, my old ATI TV Wonder card used a BT868 chip, yet it had
>Macrovision protection in the drivers (see, it can be done).
>Its so irritating though, trying to copy a DVD thru TV-out is such a cheap
>ritarded Mickey Mouse method, plus its just plain EASIER to rip a DVD even
>with a bargain-basement DVD-ROM if you really wanted it that bad. You can't
>stop the real criminals from copying them with bad drivers, so why ****
>everybody else off? I can't do anything about the BT868 chip on my card, nor
>did I even ask for it, and DVD playback/acceleration is one of the main
>selling features of a decent graphics card, and now they're trying to take
>that away from me? They want to disable functionality on a product I already
>own, but I don't see nVidia or Visiontek or the assholes behind Macrovision
>lining up to give me a prorated refund because my card now does less than
>advertised.
>For the time being I can deal with 40.72 drivers, since they're DX90, pretty
>fast and all that, but what about a year from now if I'm still not ready to
>upgrade and I'm stuck with outdated drivers? What then? This is total BS.
>Brad
>"Jay Sottolano" > wrote in message
...
>Brad,
> So, for example, I have XP Pro, with Power DVD, and a new ASUS GF4 4200
>8x AGP card. In this configuration, if I update to 43.45 for example, I
>will/won't be able to watch a commercial DVD on my computer? I'm not looking
>to send the signal out to TV or second monitor... Thanks...
>
>Jay S.
>
>Brad wrote:
>
>It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your card's
>TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips) and doesn't
>support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they didn't just make the
>driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a DVD.
>
>
>"Pepys" > wrote in message
...
>
>XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power DVD 5
>
>blah
>
>blah blah
>
>
>WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?
>
>There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function built in
>
>to
>
>the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright to be
>played through a computer.
>
>****, **** and double ****.
>
>The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new 19" TFT
>screen, and now that has been denied me by some ****** deciding to
>arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.
>
>If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.
>
>The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying problem,
>
>is
>
>to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element of the
>show and take it from there.
>
>If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.
>
>
>
>Sam
>
>PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not correct the
>problem.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

J.Clarke
June 23rd 03, 04:38 AM
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:07:24 +0100
"ceedee" > wrote:

> its just another in a long line of anti piracy enforcement measures
> foisted on us.
>
> unfortunately it just plays startight into the pirates hands
>
> i for one and im sure many other people too now just download pirated
> copies much easier , no cdilla , macrovision , disk grinding copy
> protections fooing up my systems and annoying me anymore
> no need for cds in drives or dialing up to the internet and
> authorising stuff every 5 minutes
> if i find something actually worth paying for i do buy it
> software authors deserve to get paid for there work
> but the original never gets actually used just chucked in a box in a
> cupboard
>
> this system im posting from only has legit software on it
> it crashes , grinds and falls over quite a lot
> my other system has only pirated software on it which
> is all cracked or patched including the os
> guess what
> its the most stable system you will ever see
> never blue screens or falls over least so far anyway and its been
> running since the
> cracked release of win xp was released.
>
> i just wish that software companies would realise that anti piracy
> measures just
> make pirates more determined to break them.
> they just dont work and as the internet gets quicker and is available
> to more and more people
> the problem of piracy will increase hugely as more and more people
> discover that
> pirated versions of software and movies and even audio cds are far
> more attractive
> due to there lack of invasive,damaging or just plain annoying
> protections and suchlike
> and ironically enough the pirate products perform better and are much
> more user freindly than the originals.............
>
> I know this post will attract the anti piracy flame brigade but
> constructive points
> on this issue are welcomed, flames ignored.

The Hollyweird crowd just needs to grok the concept that the days of the
zillionaire musician or actor are coming to an end. The crap they've
been producing has never been worth what they charge for it, and finally
the public has a means to not pay that. Instead of trying desperately
to put the digital genie back in the bottle (ain't gonna happen no
matter how many DMCAs and the like they pass) they should from the start
tried to figure out how they were going to use it to their advantage.

I really like their argument that we need strong copy protection because
piracy stifles innovation--like anything innovative has come out of
Hollywood in the past 50 years. What it's really going to do is stifle
innovation in the software and electronics industries, which is where
much _real_ innovation has taken place over the past 50 years.

Unfortunately Congress has been buying into their crap and nvidia
appears to be running scared.

> "Brad" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It does not make DVDs unplayable, it makes them unplayable if your
> > card's TV-encoder chip is old (look most Brooktree/Conexant chips)
> > and doesn't support macrovision. Frankly I don't know why they
> > didn't just make the driver disable the damn TV-out when you play a
> > DVD.
> >
> >
> > "Pepys" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > XP Pro, P4 2.4, Pioneer 106 s DVD player, GeForce 3 500 Ti, Power
> > > DVD 5
> > blah
> > > blah blah
> > >
> > >
> > > WTF is nVidia up to with their latest drivers?
> > >
> > > There is apparently some sort of Macrovision detection function
> > > built in
> > to
> > > the latest geforce drivers which disallows any DVD with copyright
> > > to be played through a computer.
> > >
> > > ****, **** and double ****.
> > >
> > > The only way I watch DVDs is through the computer on a flash new
> > > 19" TFT screen, and now that has been denied me by some ******
> > > deciding to arbitrarily stop the watching of DVDs on computers.
> > >
> > > If they think this is going to stop piracy - think again.
> > >
> > > The only advice I have received so far to overcome this annoying
> problem,
> > is
> > > to rip the DVD to my hard drive, hack out the macrovision element
> > > of the show and take it from there.
> > >
> > > If anyone knows of a fix for this problem I would be greatful.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > > PS Tried the old Remote Selector thingie and it simply did not
> > > correct
> the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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