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Tim
August 18th 04, 04:11 AM
Karen,

Your problems may be due to either the location of the boot files, or the
fact that you are / were on bios F8, or a combination of factors. I suggest
you try bios F10 and see if that resolves your issues. Before you do and If
not...

If you place a disk drive on a controller that preceeds the current boot
disc - you can't expect the system to boot. EG if your bios is set with the
following boot order: Floppy , CD, HDD - and you leave a floppy in the drive
it won't boot will it? (OK some bios are smart). Don't expect it to boot if
you put an IDE HDD in front of the boot IDE HDD.

Generally the boot disc should be on the lowest numbered device (in hardware
search order terms) of its type and the boot device type should be set
correctly. IE if you say to boot off IDE, then the boot device "should" be
on IDE Primary on IDE 0.

Now, you confuse things a little by entitling your post RAID.... but there
after only talk about IDE... If you are using RAID then please be careful
with the bios version you use.

Check your BOOT drive:

Put the drives back where they were originally and go into Disk Management
in Computer Management under XP and check where the BOOT drive is. Then
check where the BOOT.ini, and ntldr are. These may not be where you think
they are so this either needs fixing or you need to always remember this.
When you have confirmed where everything is, then if there is a problem fix
it first (EG do a repair and put the boot components on the front of the
Win98 disc since that has to be C: in its own view of things), then when you
alter the disc configuration always keep in mind where whatever is, how the
bios is set, and review the bios settings before attempting to boot.

IMHO, there is only 1 bios to use on 8KNXP rev 1 and that is F10. You should
not go back to an ancient pre-production bios version such as a version 2 -
maybe you meant F7? F5 was bad enough - if you had been using RAID this
could have trashed your drives. There were substantial issues with RAM
timings with bios revisions prior to and including F6 - by themselves these
could have created a nightmare for you. 8KNXP became sort of stable with F6,
but is stable / settled with F10. Bios versions F7, F8, and F9 should not be
used as they had major issues, and were correspondingly short lived.

I suggest that if you can, read any notes on the gigabyte site re the bios
versions you have used and check these against the use you have of the
different controllers (RAID, IDE, non HDD devices) and the needed device
drivers & versions. There are new ITE drivers out (for quite a while) and
updates corresponding to these in one or other bios version.

- Tim


"Karen Parker" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think others have had similar problems that occurred with bios updates.
>
> Using The Raid Controller as a ATA Controller.
>
> All SATA disabled.
>
> 4 x Seagate Drives Dual Boot 98se/XP on 2 separate drives, connected to
> IDE
> 3, 2 x Data drives on IDE4.
>
>
> When I removed the Data drives from IDE4 the system reports
> "Error Loading OS"
>
>
> Plugging in a New Seagate drive not formatted, the system boots, but not
> after
> the drive is formatted.
>
> In the End moved the Boot System drives from IDE3 to 4, now it boots, but
> after adding a new formatted drive to IDE3 it no longer boot from either
> IDE
> now...???
>
> Decided to go back to a much earlier Bios was F8 now F2, system now boots
> with the System drives only connected to IDE3
>
>
> Have now confirmed that I can add a formatted drive to IDE4 with out any
> boot
> problem.
>
> F8 bios list SCSI-0 as the boot device, this to me is the master on
> IDE3..
>
> GA-8KNXP/GA-8I875 Ultra are similar boards and come with the same
> manual.
>
>
> the F2 Bios = the FB and the F8= the FH..
>
>
> Its a pity that Gigabyte has not fixed this problem after all this time,
> may
> be the New F9 bios that should be out soon will fix it..
>
> And its a big waste of time trying to talk to the Gigabyte Robot..
>
>

Richard Dower
August 18th 04, 04:50 AM
"Tim" > wrote in message ...
> Karen,
>
> Your problems may be due to either the location of the boot files, or the
> fact that you are / were on bios F8, or a combination of factors. I
> suggest you try bios F10 and see if that resolves your issues. Before you
> do and If not...
>
> If you place a disk drive on a controller that preceeds the current boot
> disc - you can't expect the system to boot. EG if your bios is set with
> the following boot order: Floppy , CD, HDD - and you leave a floppy in the
> drive it won't boot will it? (OK some bios are smart). Don't expect it to
> boot if you put an IDE HDD in front of the boot IDE HDD.
>
> Generally the boot disc should be on the lowest numbered device (in
> hardware search order terms) of its type and the boot device type should
> be set correctly. IE if you say to boot off IDE, then the boot device
> "should" be on IDE Primary on IDE 0.
>
> Now, you confuse things a little by entitling your post RAID.... but there
> after only talk about IDE... If you are using RAID then please be careful
> with the bios version you use.
>
> Check your BOOT drive:
>
> Put the drives back where they were originally and go into Disk Management
> in Computer Management under XP and check where the BOOT drive is. Then
> check where the BOOT.ini, and ntldr are. These may not be where you think
> they are so this either needs fixing or you need to always remember this.
> When you have confirmed where everything is, then if there is a problem
> fix it first (EG do a repair and put the boot components on the front of
> the Win98 disc since that has to be C: in its own view of things), then
> when you alter the disc configuration always keep in mind where whatever
> is, how the bios is set, and review the bios settings before attempting to
> boot.
>
> IMHO, there is only 1 bios to use on 8KNXP rev 1 and that is F10. You
> should not go back to an ancient pre-production bios version such as a
> version 2 - maybe you meant F7? F5 was bad enough - if you had been using
> RAID this could have trashed your drives. There were substantial issues
> with RAM timings with bios revisions prior to and including F6 - by
> themselves these could have created a nightmare for you. 8KNXP became sort
> of stable with F6, but is stable / settled with F10. Bios versions F7, F8,
> and F9 should not be used as they had major issues, and were
> correspondingly short lived.
>
> I suggest that if you can, read any notes on the gigabyte site re the bios
> versions you have used and check these against the use you have of the
> different controllers (RAID, IDE, non HDD devices) and the needed device
> drivers & versions. There are new ITE drivers out (for quite a while) and
> updates corresponding to these in one or other bios version.
>
> - Tim

You would *think* the latest BIOS would be the best, sadly in the case of
the FI BIOS for the GA-8KNXP rev 2.1 the reverse is true.

Using FI the RAID 0 SATA Raptors took ages to boot from, yet FH works
perfect. I emailed Gigabyte and hopefully FJ will resolve it. But do we have
to wait another 5 months for a BIOS update??

Tim
August 18th 04, 05:15 AM
Hi Richard,

I Agree.

But then they also did it with bios ver 7 and 8 for rev 1 boards. 9 Was
apparently better but so short lived.... it happens.

- Tim


"Richard Dower" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Karen,
>>
>> Your problems may be due to either the location of the boot files, or the
>> fact that you are / were on bios F8, or a combination of factors. I
>> suggest you try bios F10 and see if that resolves your issues. Before you
>> do and If not...
>>
>> If you place a disk drive on a controller that preceeds the current boot
>> disc - you can't expect the system to boot. EG if your bios is set with
>> the following boot order: Floppy , CD, HDD - and you leave a floppy in
>> the drive it won't boot will it? (OK some bios are smart). Don't expect
>> it to boot if you put an IDE HDD in front of the boot IDE HDD.
>>
>> Generally the boot disc should be on the lowest numbered device (in
>> hardware search order terms) of its type and the boot device type should
>> be set correctly. IE if you say to boot off IDE, then the boot device
>> "should" be on IDE Primary on IDE 0.
>>
>> Now, you confuse things a little by entitling your post RAID.... but
>> there after only talk about IDE... If you are using RAID then please be
>> careful with the bios version you use.
>>
>> Check your BOOT drive:
>>
>> Put the drives back where they were originally and go into Disk
>> Management in Computer Management under XP and check where the BOOT drive
>> is. Then check where the BOOT.ini, and ntldr are. These may not be where
>> you think they are so this either needs fixing or you need to always
>> remember this. When you have confirmed where everything is, then if there
>> is a problem fix it first (EG do a repair and put the boot components on
>> the front of the Win98 disc since that has to be C: in its own view of
>> things), then when you alter the disc configuration always keep in mind
>> where whatever is, how the bios is set, and review the bios settings
>> before attempting to boot.
>>
>> IMHO, there is only 1 bios to use on 8KNXP rev 1 and that is F10. You
>> should not go back to an ancient pre-production bios version such as a
>> version 2 - maybe you meant F7? F5 was bad enough - if you had been using
>> RAID this could have trashed your drives. There were substantial issues
>> with RAM timings with bios revisions prior to and including F6 - by
>> themselves these could have created a nightmare for you. 8KNXP became
>> sort of stable with F6, but is stable / settled with F10. Bios versions
>> F7, F8, and F9 should not be used as they had major issues, and were
>> correspondingly short lived.
>>
>> I suggest that if you can, read any notes on the gigabyte site re the
>> bios versions you have used and check these against the use you have of
>> the different controllers (RAID, IDE, non HDD devices) and the needed
>> device drivers & versions. There are new ITE drivers out (for quite a
>> while) and updates corresponding to these in one or other bios version.
>>
>> - Tim
>
> You would *think* the latest BIOS would be the best, sadly in the case of
> the FI BIOS for the GA-8KNXP rev 2.1 the reverse is true.
>
> Using FI the RAID 0 SATA Raptors took ages to boot from, yet FH works
> perfect. I emailed Gigabyte and hopefully FJ will resolve it. But do we
> have to wait another 5 months for a BIOS update??
>
>
>

Tim
August 18th 04, 09:19 AM
So, you don't have an 8KNXP at all then.
That explains half the problem.

- Tim


"Karen Parker" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:11:43 +1200, "Tim" > wrote:
>
>>Karen,
>>
>>Your problems may be due to either the location of the boot files, or the
>>fact that you are / were on bios F8, or a combination of factors. I
>>suggest
>>you try bios F10 and see if that resolves your issues. Before you do and
>>If
>>not...
>
>
>
> The GA-8I875 Ultra only uses Bios's from F2 to F8, the same as the
> GA-8KNXP
> Rev 2..
>
>
>>If you place a disk drive on a controller that preceeds the current boot
>>disc - you can't expect the system to boot. EG if your bios is set with
>>the
>>following boot order: Floppy , CD, HDD - and you leave a floppy in the
>>drive
>>it won't boot will it? (OK some bios are smart). Don't expect it to boot
>>if
>>you put an IDE HDD in front of the boot IDE HDD.
>
>
> These 2 Data drives are just unplugged and the system fails to boot,
> "Error Loading OS", but going back to the F2 Bios, all is OK..
>
> The Drives letters do not change at all, C: is the Boot Drive, Drive 1
> and D:
> is the XP drive, Drive 2
>
>
>>Generally the boot disc should be on the lowest numbered device (in
>>hardware
>>search order terms) of its type and the boot device type should be set
>>correctly. IE if you say to boot off IDE, then the boot device "should" be
>>on IDE Primary on IDE 0.
>
>
>
> It boots from the Raid Controller SCSI-0
>
>>Now, you confuse things a little by entitling your post RAID.... but there
>>after only talk about IDE... If you are using RAID then please be careful
>>with the bios version you use.
>>
>>Check your BOOT drive:
>>
>>Put the drives back where they were originally and go into Disk Management
>>in Computer Management under XP and check where the BOOT drive is. Then
>>check where the BOOT.ini, and ntldr are. These may not be where you think
>>they are so this either needs fixing or you need to always remember this.
>>When you have confirmed where everything is, then if there is a problem
>>fix
>>it first (EG do a repair and put the boot components on the front of the
>>Win98 disc since that has to be C: in its own view of things), then when
>>you
>>alter the disc configuration always keep in mind where whatever is, how
>>the
>>bios is set, and review the bios settings before attempting to boot.
>
> No its a Bios fault, not to easy to fix as every thing checks out 100%.
>
>
>>IMHO, there is only 1 bios to use on 8KNXP rev 1 and that is F10.
>
>
> No this is a GA-8I875 Ultra that same MoBo as a GA-8KNXP Rev 2.
>
>
> It has the same as the Rev. 2 bios's but not the very latest that has just
> come out.
>
>> You should
>>not go back to an ancient pre-production bios version such as a version
>>2 -
>>maybe you meant F7? F5 was bad enough - if you had been using RAID this
>>could have trashed your drives. There were substantial issues with RAM
>>timings with bios revisions prior to and including F6 - by themselves
>>these
>>could have created a nightmare for you. 8KNXP became sort of stable with
>>F6,
>>but is stable / settled with F10. Bios versions F7, F8, and F9 should not
>>be
>>used as they had major issues, and were correspondingly short lived.
>
>
>
> F2 is what came with the MoBo and the only one that works.
>
>>I suggest that if you can, read any notes on the gigabyte site re the bios
>>versions you have used and check these against the use you have of the
>>different controllers (RAID, IDE, non HDD devices) and the needed device
>>drivers & versions. There are new ITE drivers out (for quite a while) and
>>updates corresponding to these in one or other bios version.
>>
>>- Tim
>>
>>
>>"Karen Parker" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>> I think others have had similar problems that occurred with bios
>>> updates.
>>>
>>> Using The Raid Controller as a ATA Controller.
>>>
>>> All SATA disabled.
>>>
>>> 4 x Seagate Drives Dual Boot 98se/XP on 2 separate drives, connected
>>> to
>>> IDE
>>> 3, 2 x Data drives on IDE4.
>>>
>>>
>>> When I removed the Data drives from IDE4 the system reports
>>> "Error Loading OS"
>>>
>>>
>>> Plugging in a New Seagate drive not formatted, the system boots, but not
>>> after
>>> the drive is formatted.
>>>
>>> In the End moved the Boot System drives from IDE3 to 4, now it boots,
>>> but
>>> after adding a new formatted drive to IDE3 it no longer boot from
>>> either
>>> IDE
>>> now...???
>>>
>>> Decided to go back to a much earlier Bios was F8 now F2, system now
>>> boots
>>> with the System drives only connected to IDE3
>>>
>>>
>>> Have now confirmed that I can add a formatted drive to IDE4 with out
>>> any
>>> boot
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> F8 bios list SCSI-0 as the boot device, this to me is the master on
>>> IDE3..
>>>
>>> GA-8KNXP/GA-8I875 Ultra are similar boards and come with the same
>>> manual.
>>>
>>>
>>> the F2 Bios = the FB and the F8= the FH..
>>>
>>>
>>> Its a pity that Gigabyte has not fixed this problem after all this
>>> time,
>>> may
>>> be the New F9 bios that should be out soon will fix it..
>>>
>>> And its a big waste of time trying to talk to the Gigabyte Robot..
>>>
>>>
>>
>