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Stuart Chapman
June 5th 04, 05:55 AM
Hi all...

These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.

The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on these
boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??

Stupot

Tim
June 5th 04, 06:24 AM
The difference?

8KNXP is Canterwood - Intel 875 chipset, the P4P800 is Intel 865.
The former has gigabit ethernet + ECC RAM capabilities.
The 8KNXP has also the ITE (Gigaraid) controller.

In terms of performance your would never notice the difference. The only
issues there may be for you are your needs to for extras on the Gigabyte
board.

I know resellers / assemblers who only build using the 875 chipset on
request since there is so little benefit to most people in the extras. IE
they use the P4P800 in preference.

That is the unbiased report. The biased report would be: get the asus. The
choice then becomes if you get the P4C800 or the P4P800 for exactly the same
reasons. The biased report is based from experience: the asus boards are
better. The big let down for the GB boards is the quality of the bios and
the length of time it takes them to resolve issues.

- Tim


"Stuart Chapman" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all...
>
> These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.
>
> The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on these
> boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??
>
> Stupot
>
>

Kris Vorwerk
June 5th 04, 02:50 PM
> These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.
>
> The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on these
> boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??


I'm the owner of an 8KNXP. I really like the board's features
(especially the IDE RAID), and that was my primary motivation for
buying it. Unfortunately, my first 8KNXP randomly died after ~8
months of otherwise perfect use. I received a replacement (RMA) board
(another 8KNXP v1) in about ~2 weeks.

The replacement, like the original, feels fast, and generally runs
well. (There doesn't appear to be any major sign of impending doom.)
I would, however, point out a few of the issues that I've noticed:


1) The PC speaker beeps randomly, despite the fact that the fan and
temperature fail warnings are turned off, and temperatures are easily
within spec. Solution: I had to unplug the PC speaker. (Gigabyte
tech support claimed to have never heard of this problem before. No
pun intended. ;)

2) The Northbridge fan tends to be quite loud. It often "grinds" with
a horrific "death wail" on start-up. The noise does go away after a
while, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fan one day stops spinning.
Why the 8KNXP comes with a NB fan when most of the other major vendors
use passive cooling is beyond me.

3) There have been a number of discussions about various memory
incompatibilities with the 8KNXP (and especially older BIOS releases).
I must admit that I've never had any problems -- I run a
dual-channel, 1GB OCZ PC3200 EL RAM setup with 2-6-3-2 timing, and
everything's great. Supposedly, the 8KNXP version 2 board (which is
probably what you would receive if you bought one new) has cleared up
a number of these problems. But, like I said, I've never had any
problems in this regard.

4) The "spontaneous" failure of my first board doesn't seem to be a
one-time thing: there have been a number of posts in this newsgroup
from people experiencing similar difficulties. (There was no evidence
of failure -- no leaky capacitors, no stopped fans ... The system
simply would not boot or post.) That makes me very suspicious of the
quality of the product, as a whole. (I mean, failure after the first
few days or weeks -- sure, I can accept that. Failure during a bout
of heavy CPU-intensive usage -- sure, I can accept that, too. But in
my case, it was a random failure when the system was essentially idle
for a few hours -- sheesh.)


All told, my 8KNXP is my first -- and definitely last -- Gigabyte
product for some time. My next board will be from Asus -- I've never
had these kinds of problems (nor heard of any of my friends/colleagues
having problems) with that brand.

Roy Coorne
June 5th 04, 08:33 PM
Kris Vorwerk wrote:

>>These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.
>>
>>The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on these
>>boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??
>
>
>
> I'm the owner of an 8KNXP. I really like the board's features
> (especially the IDE RAID), and that was my primary motivation for
> buying it. Unfortunately, my first 8KNXP randomly died after ~8
> months of otherwise perfect use. I received a replacement (RMA) board
> (another 8KNXP v1) in about ~2 weeks.
>
> The replacement, like the original, feels fast, and generally runs
> well. (There doesn't appear to be any major sign of impending doom.)
> I would, however, point out a few of the issues that I've noticed:
>
>
> 1) The PC speaker beeps randomly, despite the fact that the fan and
> temperature fail warnings are turned off, and temperatures are easily
> within spec. Solution: I had to unplug the PC speaker. (Gigabyte
> tech support claimed to have never heard of this problem before. No
> pun intended. ;)
>
> 2) The Northbridge fan tends to be quite loud. It often "grinds" with
> a horrific "death wail" on start-up. The noise does go away after a
> while, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fan one day stops spinning.
> Why the 8KNXP comes with a NB fan when most of the other major vendors
> use passive cooling is beyond me.
>
> 3) There have been a number of discussions about various memory
> incompatibilities with the 8KNXP (and especially older BIOS releases).
> I must admit that I've never had any problems -- I run a
> dual-channel, 1GB OCZ PC3200 EL RAM setup with 2-6-3-2 timing, and
> everything's great. Supposedly, the 8KNXP version 2 board (which is
> probably what you would receive if you bought one new) has cleared up
> a number of these problems. But, like I said, I've never had any
> problems in this regard.
>
> 4) The "spontaneous" failure of my first board doesn't seem to be a
> one-time thing: there have been a number of posts in this newsgroup
> from people experiencing similar difficulties. (There was no evidence
> of failure -- no leaky capacitors, no stopped fans ... The system
> simply would not boot or post.) That makes me very suspicious of the
> quality of the product, as a whole. (I mean, failure after the first
> few days or weeks -- sure, I can accept that. Failure during a bout
> of heavy CPU-intensive usage -- sure, I can accept that, too. But in
> my case, it was a random failure when the system was essentially idle
> for a few hours -- sheesh.)
>
>
> All told, my 8KNXP is my first -- and definitely last -- Gigabyte
> product for some time. My next board will be from Asus -- I've never
> had these kinds of problems (nor heard of any of my friends/colleagues
> having problems) with that brand.

Everybody has his/her own story.

I bought an Asus P4P800 Deluxe Rev.1.02 which died suddenly, silently,
and unexpectedly after about two months. I sent it back to the dealer.
As a 'bridge', I bought an Asus P4P800 Rev.2.0 which works fine till
today (for about nine months now).
From my dealer I got a replacement for the Deluxe board: a P4P800
Deluxe - unfortunately the same Rev.1.02 - after about six months of
brave work, it died yesterday, silently, and unexpectedly.
Today, I bought a GA-8IPE1000G...

Roy

Stuart Chapman
June 6th 04, 04:16 AM
"Tim" > wrote in message ...
> The difference?
>
> 8KNXP is Canterwood - Intel 875 chipset, the P4P800 is Intel 865.
> The former has gigabit ethernet + ECC RAM capabilities.
> The 8KNXP has also the ITE (Gigaraid) controller.
>
> In terms of performance your would never notice the difference. The only
> issues there may be for you are your needs to for extras on the Gigabyte
> board.
>
> I know resellers / assemblers who only build using the 875 chipset on
> request since there is so little benefit to most people in the extras. IE
> they use the P4P800 in preference.
>
> That is the unbiased report. The biased report would be: get the asus. The
> choice then becomes if you get the P4C800 or the P4P800 for exactly the
same
> reasons. The biased report is based from experience: the asus boards are
> better. The big let down for the GB boards is the quality of the bios and
> the length of time it takes them to resolve issues.
>
> - Tim
>
>
Thanks for the tips...

I was leaning towards the ASUS, as I suspected the 875 chipset would have
little noticeable effect on prformance.

Interesting hearing about the reliability issues....

Stupot

Phillip
June 6th 04, 03:05 PM
"Roy Coorne" > wrote in message
...
> Kris Vorwerk wrote:
>
> >>These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.
> >>
> >>The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on these
> >>boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm the owner of an 8KNXP. I really like the board's features
> > (especially the IDE RAID), and that was my primary motivation for
> > buying it. Unfortunately, my first 8KNXP randomly died after ~8
> > months of otherwise perfect use. I received a replacement (RMA) board
> > (another 8KNXP v1) in about ~2 weeks.
> >
> > The replacement, like the original, feels fast, and generally runs
> > well. (There doesn't appear to be any major sign of impending doom.)
> > I would, however, point out a few of the issues that I've noticed:
> >
> >
> > 1) The PC speaker beeps randomly, despite the fact that the fan and
> > temperature fail warnings are turned off, and temperatures are easily
> > within spec. Solution: I had to unplug the PC speaker. (Gigabyte
> > tech support claimed to have never heard of this problem before. No
> > pun intended. ;)
> >
> > 2) The Northbridge fan tends to be quite loud. It often "grinds" with
> > a horrific "death wail" on start-up. The noise does go away after a
> > while, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fan one day stops spinning.
> > Why the 8KNXP comes with a NB fan when most of the other major vendors
> > use passive cooling is beyond me.
> >
> > 3) There have been a number of discussions about various memory
> > incompatibilities with the 8KNXP (and especially older BIOS releases).
> > I must admit that I've never had any problems -- I run a
> > dual-channel, 1GB OCZ PC3200 EL RAM setup with 2-6-3-2 timing, and
> > everything's great. Supposedly, the 8KNXP version 2 board (which is
> > probably what you would receive if you bought one new) has cleared up
> > a number of these problems. But, like I said, I've never had any
> > problems in this regard.
> >
> > 4) The "spontaneous" failure of my first board doesn't seem to be a
> > one-time thing: there have been a number of posts in this newsgroup
> > from people experiencing similar difficulties. (There was no evidence
> > of failure -- no leaky capacitors, no stopped fans ... The system
> > simply would not boot or post.) That makes me very suspicious of the
> > quality of the product, as a whole. (I mean, failure after the first
> > few days or weeks -- sure, I can accept that. Failure during a bout
> > of heavy CPU-intensive usage -- sure, I can accept that, too. But in
> > my case, it was a random failure when the system was essentially idle
> > for a few hours -- sheesh.)
> >
> >
> > All told, my 8KNXP is my first -- and definitely last -- Gigabyte
> > product for some time. My next board will be from Asus -- I've never
> > had these kinds of problems (nor heard of any of my friends/colleagues
> > having problems) with that brand.
>
> Everybody has his/her own story.
>
> I bought an Asus P4P800 Deluxe Rev.1.02 which died suddenly, silently,
> and unexpectedly after about two months. I sent it back to the dealer.
> As a 'bridge', I bought an Asus P4P800 Rev.2.0 which works fine till
> today (for about nine months now).
> From my dealer I got a replacement for the Deluxe board: a P4P800
> Deluxe - unfortunately the same Rev.1.02 - after about six months of
> brave work, it died yesterday, silently, and unexpectedly.
> Today, I bought a GA-8IPE1000G...
>
> Roy
>

I've had my 8KNXP since July 03 and haven't had a single hiccup.
It has 2 hdd (SATA) and 3 optical drives hanging off it (DVD-R, DVD-ROM,
CD-R/RW)
and 1 gig of ram to make life interesting and hasn't put a foot wrong ever.

I couldn't imagine myself without this system, ever reliable.

I thought you need to hear this as Kris didn't have a good experience
and went to great lengths to tell you so. I have the system running all
weekend
and many hours every weeknight and the fans don't sound any louder now than
11 months ago.

I have a Rev. 1. board, still running original drivers, haven't updated
anything other than XP and sounding like a broken record, it runs as well as
I could hope for.
Well worth the money I paid for it back then.

Phil.

M-Tech
June 7th 04, 12:49 AM
Same here, I have a rev 2 board. And to boot, I just completed setting up
my first raid and had absolutely NO idea WTF I was doing and not only did it
work, it was easy:-)

She's clocked to 3.5(it's a 2.8 chip)with some cheap kingston ram(DDR)and
some rather aggressive memory timing settings and the only time the screen
goes blank is when I shut it off:-)

I've had Asus, Abit, Asus, Soyo, Intel and now Gig....and imho, there's good
and bad in all of them. After my little (time) experience, I stay away from
Soyo.

Don

"Phillip" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roy Coorne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kris Vorwerk wrote:
> >
> > >>These are the 2 motherboards I'm considering for a new system.
> > >>
> > >>The Gigabyte is A$90 more than the Asus. What are your thoughts on
these
> > >>boards? Specifically, is the Gigabyte worth the extra $$$??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm the owner of an 8KNXP. I really like the board's features
> > > (especially the IDE RAID), and that was my primary motivation for
> > > buying it. Unfortunately, my first 8KNXP randomly died after ~8
> > > months of otherwise perfect use. I received a replacement (RMA) board
> > > (another 8KNXP v1) in about ~2 weeks.
> > >
> > > The replacement, like the original, feels fast, and generally runs
> > > well. (There doesn't appear to be any major sign of impending doom.)
> > > I would, however, point out a few of the issues that I've noticed:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) The PC speaker beeps randomly, despite the fact that the fan and
> > > temperature fail warnings are turned off, and temperatures are easily
> > > within spec. Solution: I had to unplug the PC speaker. (Gigabyte
> > > tech support claimed to have never heard of this problem before. No
> > > pun intended. ;)
> > >
> > > 2) The Northbridge fan tends to be quite loud. It often "grinds" with
> > > a horrific "death wail" on start-up. The noise does go away after a
> > > while, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fan one day stops spinning.
> > > Why the 8KNXP comes with a NB fan when most of the other major vendors
> > > use passive cooling is beyond me.
> > >
> > > 3) There have been a number of discussions about various memory
> > > incompatibilities with the 8KNXP (and especially older BIOS releases).
> > > I must admit that I've never had any problems -- I run a
> > > dual-channel, 1GB OCZ PC3200 EL RAM setup with 2-6-3-2 timing, and
> > > everything's great. Supposedly, the 8KNXP version 2 board (which is
> > > probably what you would receive if you bought one new) has cleared up
> > > a number of these problems. But, like I said, I've never had any
> > > problems in this regard.
> > >
> > > 4) The "spontaneous" failure of my first board doesn't seem to be a
> > > one-time thing: there have been a number of posts in this newsgroup
> > > from people experiencing similar difficulties. (There was no evidence
> > > of failure -- no leaky capacitors, no stopped fans ... The system
> > > simply would not boot or post.) That makes me very suspicious of the
> > > quality of the product, as a whole. (I mean, failure after the first
> > > few days or weeks -- sure, I can accept that. Failure during a bout
> > > of heavy CPU-intensive usage -- sure, I can accept that, too. But in
> > > my case, it was a random failure when the system was essentially idle
> > > for a few hours -- sheesh.)
> > >
> > >
> > > All told, my 8KNXP is my first -- and definitely last -- Gigabyte
> > > product for some time. My next board will be from Asus -- I've never
> > > had these kinds of problems (nor heard of any of my friends/colleagues
> > > having problems) with that brand.
> >
> > Everybody has his/her own story.
> >
> > I bought an Asus P4P800 Deluxe Rev.1.02 which died suddenly, silently,
> > and unexpectedly after about two months. I sent it back to the dealer.
> > As a 'bridge', I bought an Asus P4P800 Rev.2.0 which works fine till
> > today (for about nine months now).
> > From my dealer I got a replacement for the Deluxe board: a P4P800
> > Deluxe - unfortunately the same Rev.1.02 - after about six months of
> > brave work, it died yesterday, silently, and unexpectedly.
> > Today, I bought a GA-8IPE1000G...
> >
> > Roy
> >
>
> I've had my 8KNXP since July 03 and haven't had a single hiccup.
> It has 2 hdd (SATA) and 3 optical drives hanging off it (DVD-R, DVD-ROM,
> CD-R/RW)
> and 1 gig of ram to make life interesting and hasn't put a foot wrong
ever.
>
> I couldn't imagine myself without this system, ever reliable.
>
> I thought you need to hear this as Kris didn't have a good experience
> and went to great lengths to tell you so. I have the system running all
> weekend
> and many hours every weeknight and the fans don't sound any louder now
than
> 11 months ago.
>
> I have a Rev. 1. board, still running original drivers, haven't updated
> anything other than XP and sounding like a broken record, it runs as well
as
> I could hope for.
> Well worth the money I paid for it back then.
>
> Phil.
>
>

Bob Davis
June 7th 04, 01:14 AM
"Tim" > wrote in message ...

> That is the unbiased report. The biased report would be: get the asus. The
> choice then becomes if you get the P4C800 or the P4P800 for exactly the
same
> reasons. The biased report is based from experience: the asus boards are
> better. The big let down for the GB boards is the quality of the bios and
> the length of time it takes them to resolve issues.

I must disagree with some of your points with respect given to your
experiences. First, I selected the 8KNXP Rev. 1 one year ago almost to the
day, and it is not only still running but has only crashed in XP Pro once,
this considering the fact that it is used in a home-based business that
requires it to be powered-up 18 hours per day, seven days per week, and in
actual use much of that time. This inauspicious occasion occurred while I
was attempting to position the bios settings for XP to accept the ICH5R SATA
controller, previously disabled, but that situation was quickly corrected.

As for Asus vs. GB and bios issues, if I had to pick one board at this time
it would be the GB. I installed a P4C800 in a friend's computer, mostly
because of price, and quickly ran into problem with its AMI bios that would
arbitrarily rearrange the boot-drive sequence without human input when
detaching IDE drives connected intermittently through a Mobil Rack. It
caused so much trouble that I had to install a PCI IDE controller to
circumvent the main bios, wresting control of the IDE drives away from the
bios. This was not an isolated issue, as when I inquired on an Asus
newsgroup I received lots of commiseration from others who had gone through
the same problems. I'll take the Award bios any day, and I've never had
trouble with f5, f6, or f9 on this Rev 1 board--the only versions I've used
to date.

This person plus another friend who also owns a P4C800 are both happy with
their boards, even though one experienced a fatal failure requiring a
replacement, but if I had to build another system for myself today it'd be a
Rev 2 8KNXP. I have reason to believe it is better than the Rev 1, but if
it is only as good, that would be good enough.

Mark Taylor
June 8th 04, 12:48 AM
Hello All

I currently have a 8KNXP Rev 2 board and it has been very stable for some
months now. Originally I had 4 Rev 1 boards that all failed in quick
succession. I was also using Corsair RAM which I do not think the Rev 1
board worked well with at all. I do also believe that the BIOS upgrades for
the Rev 2 have also fixed some small issues. As you can see I run a lot of
gear on this PC and it is rock solid. The main reason I chose the GB board
originally is because of the extra features it had like the ITE IDE
controller, full powered USB2 and FireWire ports for connection to me case
(I use a 2.5" USB2/FW external drive which uses bus power) etc.

Cheers
Mark

This is my rig:
Giga-Byte GA-8KNXP v.2.0 Motherboard w/ Award BIOS v. FH
Pentium 4 3.0 w/800 MHz FSB Intel 875P Chipset - HT & PAT enabled
1GB Corsair PC3200 (@ 2.8v (2.5,3,3,6) - Read 4800 MB/s, Write 1500 MB/s
(AIDA32 V3.90)
2 Seagate 120 GB SATA Hard Drives (RAID 1)
RAID 1 on Intel ICH5R (v3.5.0.2568)
Western Digital 200 GB PATA Hard Drive (IDE 3 - Master ITE Controller)
ASUS V9560 FX5600 - AGP 8x 128MB DDR Video Card VIVO (Nvidia v.56.76)
Lite-On 52x32x52 CDR-W (IDE 1 Master)
Panasonic LS-120 Drive (IDE 1 Slave)
Pioneer DVR-107D 8x DVD Writer (IDE 2 Master)
Iomega ZIP 250 MB Drive (IDE 2 Slave)
Pioneer DVD-120 DVD-ROM drive (IDE 4 - Master ITE Controller)
Sony DR-510 DVD-RW Drive (Firewire port)
External 80 GB USB 2.0 Drive
Yamaha AP-U70 External USB Amplifier
TDK Tremor 180 watt speakers
Thermaltake Xaser III Case
Thermaltake 480 watt ATX Power Supply
Hitachi 17" LCD Monitor (1280 x 1024)
Win XP Pro SP-1a O.E.M.

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"Bob Davis" > wrote in message
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>
> "Tim" > wrote in message
...
>
> > That is the unbiased report. The biased report would be: get the asus.
The
> > choice then becomes if you get the P4C800 or the P4P800 for exactly the
> same
> > reasons. The biased report is based from experience: the asus boards are
> > better. The big let down for the GB boards is the quality of the bios
and
> > the length of time it takes them to resolve issues.
>
> I must disagree with some of your points with respect given to your
> experiences. First, I selected the 8KNXP Rev. 1 one year ago almost to
the
> day, and it is not only still running but has only crashed in XP Pro once,
> this considering the fact that it is used in a home-based business that
> requires it to be powered-up 18 hours per day, seven days per week, and in
> actual use much of that time. This inauspicious occasion occurred while I
> was attempting to position the bios settings for XP to accept the ICH5R
SATA
> controller, previously disabled, but that situation was quickly corrected.
>
> As for Asus vs. GB and bios issues, if I had to pick one board at this
time
> it would be the GB. I installed a P4C800 in a friend's computer, mostly
> because of price, and quickly ran into problem with its AMI bios that
would
> arbitrarily rearrange the boot-drive sequence without human input when
> detaching IDE drives connected intermittently through a Mobil Rack. It
> caused so much trouble that I had to install a PCI IDE controller to
> circumvent the main bios, wresting control of the IDE drives away from the
> bios. This was not an isolated issue, as when I inquired on an Asus
> newsgroup I received lots of commiseration from others who had gone
through
> the same problems. I'll take the Award bios any day, and I've never had
> trouble with f5, f6, or f9 on this Rev 1 board--the only versions I've
used
> to date.
>
> This person plus another friend who also owns a P4C800 are both happy with
> their boards, even though one experienced a fatal failure requiring a
> replacement, but if I had to build another system for myself today it'd be
a
> Rev 2 8KNXP. I have reason to believe it is better than the Rev 1, but if
> it is only as good, that would be good enough.
>
>
>