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Mike De Petris
April 20th 09, 04:02 PM
I discovered an horrible thing today.
I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
feature has been removed for an unknown reason:

(from a 2007 forum post)
Nvidia support answered to me this:

Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.

With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.

This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
function may be added with the future driver updates.

GMAN[_10_]
April 20th 09, 04:39 PM
In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>I discovered an horrible thing today.
>I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
>upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
>feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>
>(from a 2007 forum post)
>Nvidia support answered to me this:
>
>Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
>graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
>unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>
>With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
>function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>
>This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
>Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
>function may be added with the future driver updates.


It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
Nvidia did.

Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)



http://www.howtofixcomputers.
com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
oring-video-out-142422.html

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx

Mike De Petris
April 20th 09, 04:53 PM
On Apr 20, 5:39*pm, (GMAN) wrote:
> In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>
>
>
> >I discovered an horrible thing today.
> >I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
> >upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
> >feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>
> >(from a 2007 forum post)
> >Nvidia support answered to me this:
>
> >Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
> >graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
> >unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>
> >With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
> >function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>
> >This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
> >Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
> >function may be added with the future driver updates.
>
> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
> Nvidia did.
>
> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
>
> http://www.howtofixcomputers.
> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
> oring-video-out-142422.html
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx

Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.

Mike De Petris
April 20th 09, 04:54 PM
On Apr 20, 5:53*pm, Mike De Petris > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:39*pm, (GMAN) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>
> > >I discovered an horrible thing today.
> > >I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
> > >upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
> > >feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>
> > >(from a 2007 forum post)
> > >Nvidia support answered to me this:
>
> > >Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
> > >graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
> > >unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>
> > >With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
> > >function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>
> > >This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
> > >Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
> > >function may be added with the future driver updates.
>
> > It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
> > system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
> > Nvidia did.
>
> > Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
>
> >http://www.howtofixcomputers.
> > com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
> > oring-video-out-142422.html
>
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
>
> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.

in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
the same applies to MacOsX ?

deimos[_2_]
April 20th 09, 11:19 PM
Mike De Petris wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
>>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
>>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
>>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
>>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
>>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
>>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
>>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
>>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
>>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
>>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
>>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
>>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
>>> Nvidia did.
>>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
>>> http://www.howtofixcomputers.
>>> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
>>> oring-video-out-142422.html
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
>> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.
>
> in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
> the same applies to MacOsX ?

.... clearly you have no idea what you want.

Mike De Petris
April 21st 09, 06:24 AM
On 21 Apr, 00:19, deimos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike De Petris wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris > wrote:
> >> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
>
> >>> In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
> >>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
> >>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
> >>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
> >>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
> >>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
> >>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
> >>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
> >>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
> >>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
> >>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
> >>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
> >>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
> >>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
> >>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
> >>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
> >>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
> >>> Nvidia did.
> >>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
> >>>http://www.howtofixcomputers.
> >>> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
> >>> oring-video-out-142422.html
> >>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
> >> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.
>
> > in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
> > the same applies to MacOsX ?
>
> ... clearly you have no idea what you want.

what I want is to be able to:
- use email/newsgroups
- web surfing
- play tv/video in a window while sending video fullscreen on a
secondary monitor
- move files
- use Visual Studio 2008

so I have a perfect idea, and I know all can be done on different
OSes, using virtualization, my idea at the moment is that MacOs X is
the best solution even if the most expensive, that's why I would like
to discuss pro and con's with you

Tecknomage
April 21st 09, 12:42 PM
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Mike De Petris
> wrote:

> I discovered an horrible thing today.
> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>
> (from a 2007 forum post)
> Nvidia support answered to me this:
>
> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>
> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>
> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
> function may be added with the future driver updates.


Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
inaccurate.

Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.


--
======== Tecknomage ========
Computer Systems Specialist
IT Technician
San Diego, CA

Mike De Petris
April 21st 09, 03:48 PM
On Apr 21, 1:42*pm, Tecknomage > wrote:
> Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. *These people are
> generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
> technicians. *They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
> inaccurate.
>
> Note the qualification is "on TV." *The feature is likely still
> available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.

oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.

Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.

No Name
April 21st 09, 08:39 PM
"Mike De Petris" > wrote in message ...
On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage > wrote:
> Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
> generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
> technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
> inaccurate.
>
> Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
> available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.

oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.

Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.


***

From Nvidia's knowledge base:

"Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. Future
Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
certain applications which will require this option."

FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft..
You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.

GMAN[_10_]
April 21st 09, 09:09 PM
In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>On 21 Apr, 00:19, deimos <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mike De Petris wrote:
>> > On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>> >> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
>>
>> >>> In article
> >, Mike De
> Petris > wrote:
>> >>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
>> >>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
>> >>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
>> >>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
>> >>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
>> >>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
>> >>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
>> >>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
>> >>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
>> >>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
>> >>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
>> >>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
>> >>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
>> >>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
>> >>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
>> >>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft
> but
>> >>> Nvidia did.
>> >>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
>> >>>http://www.howtofixcomputers.
>> >>>
> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
>> >>> oring-video-out-142422.html
>> >>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
>> >> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.
>>
>> > in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
>> > the same applies to MacOsX ?
>>
>> ... clearly you have no idea what you want.
>
>what I want is to be able to:
>- use email/newsgroups
>- web surfing
>- play tv/video in a window while sending video fullscreen on a
>secondary monitor
>- move files
>- use Visual Studio 2008
>
>so I have a perfect idea, and I know all can be done on different
>OSes, using virtualization, my idea at the moment is that MacOs X is
>the best solution even if the most expensive, that's why I would like
>to discuss pro and con's with you
>
>
I own an Nvidia 8800GTS on my older machine but run a pair of ATI 3870 OC
cards in my main Quad Corse system. It does full screen overlay just fine via
the S-video and HDMI outputs on the card. But my damn 8800GTS on my old Dual
Core system cannot due to this bull****.

Mike De Petris
April 22nd 09, 10:12 AM
On Apr 21, 9:39*pm, > wrote:
> "Mike De Petris" > wrote in ...
> On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage > wrote:
>
> > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
> > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
> > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
> > inaccurate.
>
> > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
> > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.
>
> oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
> Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
> the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
> search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
>
> Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
>
> ***
>
> From Nvidia's knowledge base:
>
> "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
> and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
> 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
> Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
> GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. *Future
> Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
> Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
> Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
> certain applications which will require this option."
>
> FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft...
> You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
> Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.

:-(

anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
accessably through certain applications which will require this
option." ??

GMAN[_10_]
April 22nd 09, 03:20 PM
In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
>On Apr 21, 9:39=A0pm, > wrote:
>> "Mike De Petris" > wrote in messagenews:16c96e65-e=
...
>> On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage > wrote:
>>
>> > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
>> > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
>> > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
>> > inaccurate.
>>
>> > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
>> > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.
>>
>> oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
>> Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
>> the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
>> search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
>>
>> Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> From Nvidia's knowledge base:
>>
>> "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
>> and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
>> 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
>> Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
>> GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. =A0Future
>> Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
>> Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
>> Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
>> certain applications which will require this option."
>>
>> FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft=
>...
>> You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
>> Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.
>
>:-(
>
>anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
>accessably through certain applications which will require this
>option." ??

Nope, disabled for all applications if using a 8XXX Nvidia card and 177 and
above drivers or VISTA or Windows 7

No Name
April 22nd 09, 04:50 PM
"GMAN" > wrote in message ...
> In article >, Mike De Petris > wrote:
> >On Apr 21, 9:39=A0pm, > wrote:
> >> "Mike De Petris" > wrote in messagenews:16c96e65-e=
> ...
> >> On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
> >> > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
> >> > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
> >> > inaccurate.
> >>
> >> > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
> >> > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.
> >>
> >> oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
> >> Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
> >> the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
> >> search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
> >>
> >> Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
> >>
> >> ***
> >>
> >> From Nvidia's knowledge base:
> >>
> >> "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
> >> and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
> >> 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
> >> Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
> >> GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. =A0Future
> >> Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
> >> Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
> >> Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
> >> certain applications which will require this option."
> >>
> >> FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft=
> >...
> >> You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
> >> Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.
> >
> >:-(
> >
> >anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
> >accessably through certain applications which will require this
> >option." ??
>
> Nope, disabled for all applications if using a 8XXX Nvidia card and 177 and
> above drivers or VISTA or Windows 7

Just a guess, and it's far from an elegant solution, but would it work to
create two separate hardware profiles on a machine -- one with 174.xx
driver and the other with latest/greatest driver, and then select which
one you want on each reboot?