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NV55
December 11th 08, 07:45 PM
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?

by Matthew on December 10, 2008

Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It
has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and
makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x
4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched
together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say
that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes
can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up
another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that
resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even
finer image. Its debatable about how much you will actually notice on
screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home.

Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012
(3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle
SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a
bandwidth of 180600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in
Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage.
As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are
not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different
though and massive amount of data will be handled every second.

My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
for the home and wont be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
the PS4s launch.

http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-ready-the-ps4-for-super-hi-vision-12105110/


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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.

Doug Jacobs[_2_]
December 11th 08, 08:34 PM
In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 NV55 > wrote:
>
> Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?
>
> by Matthew on December 10, 2008
>
> Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It
> has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and
> makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x
> 4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched
> together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say
> that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes
> can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up
> another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that
> resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even
> finer image. It?s debatable about how much you will actually notice on
> screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home.

Matthew is an idiot if he thinks Sony is even considering this...

Let's see... Screens capable of 720p or better still make up - at best -
around 30% of the total TVs in the US market, and it's even lower
elsewhere.

Even the best graphics processors for the PC are topping out
at just north of 1080p resolutions - and now you want to seriously do a
game that's going to push ~16x the pixels?

Not to mention the fact that even the creators of SHV admit that it'll
probably never make it into a consumer product - there's no real use for
it. Even on a 100" screen, you aren't going to see any real improvement
over 1080p which makes SHV a waste of money.

Finally, what exactly does Matthew think is going to be available in SHV
by then? It's going to be years before the TV studios finish upgrading to
HD - and that's only going to be 720p for the most part. It'll be
decades before they go 1080p. Blu-ray is 1080p and even that isn't
offering enough of an improvement to get folks to jump on board. Video
games are mainly in 720p this generation, with the next generation
expected to be largely 1080p. What does Matthew think Sony is going to
do? Shove 16 Cell processors into the PS4 for the low-low-price of $4000
with an insane $2000 loss on each unit - and I'm being generous here!

> Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012
> (3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle
> SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a
> bandwidth of 180?600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in
> Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage.
> As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are
> not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different
> though and massive amount of data will be handled every second.

Oh sure, in 4 years we'll go from 25GB blu-ray discs to a new removable
media capable of storing 25TB. No problem. And all those folks who
bought blu-ray already? Bah. **** on them! Who needs 'em? The true
high end fans will always be willing to throw away thousands of dollars on
each new technology immediatly when it's released. After all, it's only
money!

> My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
> format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
> for the home and won?t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
> the PS4?s launch.
>
> http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-ready-the-ps4-for-super-hi-vision-12105110/
>

10 years from now and we'll still be making the transition to 1080p. I
don't think we'll see another transition for the next 20 years, minimum.

> __________________________________________________ _______________________________
>
> If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
> will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
> Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
> graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
> 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
> 2015 though.

They're still no where near 7680x4320 though. In today's technology you'd
need roughly 6 to 8 GPUs and over ONE TB of VRAM. Yeah, like that'll be
affordable even in 10 years time.

Don't forget, console hardware is usually finalized about 2 years before the
console is released. So if Sony is seriously going to release the PS4 in
2012, that means it's going to be built with 2010 technology.

This so-called journalist is just trying to meet his quota with this
utterly useless article. I could have saved the publication a bunch of
space by rewriting the "article" thusly:

"Is Sony considering SHV for the PS4?"
No.

End of article.

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The dog from that film you saw
December 11th 08, 08:36 PM
"NV55" > wrote in message
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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.



the ps3 can't even do 1080p for most games - and most 720p ones can't stick
to a steady 60fps - so they should work on 60fps 1080p games before
attempting more.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

CHA1N5
December 12th 08, 01:07 AM
I do not think that the PS4 will support SHV, but I believe that it
could. I find great humor in Doug's reply, in that he exaggerates many
things.

> It'll be decades before they go 1080p.

Really? It's going to be 2028 before television is generally
broadcasting in 1080p? I'm interested to see you justify this claim
with some supporting documentation.


> Shove 16 Cell processors into the PS4 for the low-low-price of $4000
> with an insane $2000 loss on each unit - and I'm being generous here!

You're not being generous, your being sensational and patently
inaccurate. The cost to produce a PS3 dropped from ~$800 at launch to
$400 in January of 2008. That's a ~50% reduction over approximately 14
months. I can't find any newer data, nearly a year later, but it
stands to reason that it is significantly less than $400 today. You're
projecting that the production cost for the hardware will be the same
in 2011 or 2012 as in early 2008?


> 10 years from now and we'll still be making the transition to 1080p. I
> don't think we'll see another transition for the next 20 years,
> minimum.

Do you realize that DVD was launched in the US in 1998? Blu-Ray was
launched in 2006 (first titles released). 8 years later. You're
suggesting that it's going to be more twice that much time before the
next "transition"?



I think that Sony *could* push the issue and release a PS4 with SHV
capabilities. That is to say, it would likely delay their desired
release to the 2012 or 2013 timeframe, but it's possible. In doing so,
I believe that it would be ahead of the curve relative the to SHV media
available in much the same way that the PS3 was with Blu-Ray. I don't
EXPECT that to be their strategy, but I would be very surprised if it
wasn't at least discussed/explored. Such a decision has likely already
been made and it was probably decided that the PS4 will do current-gen
HD, possibly with A/V bells and whistles that make it look better than
the PS3.




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CHA1N5

Rich Hutnik[_2_]
December 12th 08, 09:54 PM
On Dec 11, 1:45*pm, NV55 > wrote:
> Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?
> My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
> format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
> for the home and wont be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
> the PS4s launch.
>
> http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-ready-the-ps4-for-super-hi-vision-12...
> __________________________________________________ _______________________________
>
> If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
> will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully,
> Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
> graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
> 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by
> 2015 though.


It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all
gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works.
If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine.
But they really should target 1080p as the base.

- Rich

Goro
December 14th 08, 04:53 AM
On Dec 11, 12:36*pm, "The dog from that film you saw"
> wrote:
> "NV55" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> __________________________________________________ _________________________ ______
>
> If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
> will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully,
> Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
> graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
> 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by
> 2015 though.

I'm really looking forward to seeing a console at BestBuy with a $1500
sticker price.

:)

-goro-

JBDragon[_2_]
December 14th 08, 08:16 AM
"Rich Hutnik" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 11, 1:45 pm, NV55 > wrote:
> Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?
> My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
> format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
> for the home and wont be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
> the PS4s launch.
>
> http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-ready-the-ps4-for-super-hi-vision-12...
> __________________________________________________ _______________________________
>
> If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
> will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
> Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
> graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
> 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
> 2015 though.


It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all
gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works.
If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine.
But they really should target 1080p as the base.

- Rich

It's just pointless and stupid. You would need like a 200" TV screen for a
resolution like this to even matter. Who in their right mind would have
screens this size in there home. Maybe if you have a huge wall you could
use as a screen, but the market for such a size of screen is SMALL. Sure
commercial screens outside on buildings is one thing, but it'll NEVER be
used for a game console.

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