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sprite scaler
January 25th 08, 07:20 AM
IBM Takeover of AMD Speculations Arise

Speculations that microchip maker AMD might be bought by IBM surfaced
the last couple of days, rising AMD's stock shares by 8% yesterday.

Neither parties have commented on the rumour, which however proved to
be enough to offer AMD's share a a significant boost. At the same
time, IBM's stock was down yesterday by 1.7 percent on the New York
Stock Exchange.

Some analysts have predicted that with AMD shares being so low, it
might be a good time for IBM to acquire them. IBM has had a research
and development expense-sharing agreement with AMD. AMD might want to
use IBM's East Fishkill, New York, chip-fabrication plant to build
microprocessors, in an effort to stengthen its position against rival
Intel, who currently has 12 chipmaking plants across the globe,
compared to AMD's single chip fabrication plant in Germany.

On the other hand, IBM's recent policy to move away from hardware and
manufacturing and moving to software and solutions, make the
acquisition a low-probability event. IBM sold its computer hard disk
business to Hitachi in 2002 and its PC business to China's Lenovo
Group in 2005. Last year, IBM sold its printer business to Japan's
Ricoh. Earlier Wednesday, IBM said it was buying privately held
AptSoft Corp to expand its business event processing software
portfolio.

Mergermarket.com, a mergers-focused news service, reported on the
Financial Times' Web site that IBM and AMD could strengthen their
current partnership.

"A deal could see IBM's microelectronics division merge with AMD at
some point, possibly in the near term," mergermarket.com correspondent
David Zielenziger wrote, citing "industry sources."

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22347




By Philipp Gollner and Duncan Martell

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Advanced Micro Devices shares rose as much
as 8 percent on Wednesday on speculation that the microchip maker
might be bought by IBM, but analysts said the chances of an
acquisition were slim.

Spokesmen for IBM and AMD, based in Sunnyvale, California, declined to
comment on the rumor.

Shares of AMD, the second-largest maker of microprocessors after Intel
Corp , added as much as 55 cents to $7.39 and were up 23 cents or 3.4
percent at $7.07 in afternoon trading. International Business Machines
Corp stock was down $1.73 or 1.7 percent at $99.58 on the New York
Stock Exchange.

"The takeover of AMD by IBM has been mentioned before and with AMD
shares being so low, it might be a good time for IBM to acquire them,"
said William Lefkowitz, options strategist at brokerage firm vFinance
Investments in New York.

AMD call options were trading higher than usual because of the rumor,
he added.

IBM of Armonk, New York, has had a research and development expense-
sharing agreement with AMD, and analysts have speculated that AMD
might want to use IBM's East Fishkill, New York, chip-fabrication
plant to build microprocessors.

An acquisition of AMD would be "a pretty low-probability event because
IBM is moving away from hardware and manufacturing and moving to
software and solutions," said Ashok Kumar, an analyst at CRT Capital
Group. "I don't think IBM wants the bragging rights to go up against
Intel."

"IBM buying AMD is a nonstarter," Kumar said. "There's no rationale
for that. Investors would just pound IBM's stock."


IBM has been exiting computer hardware businesses to focus on higher-
profit software and technology services tailored to clients.

Earlier Wednesday, IBM said it was buying privately held AptSoft Corp
to expand its business event processing software portfolio.

Revenue from IBM's microelectronics business fell 15 percent in the
fourth quarter. The unit mainly supplies chips to run IBM's mainframe
computers and business server machines.

IBM sold its computer disk-drive business to Hitachi Ltd in 2002 and
its personal-computer business to China's Lenovo Group Ltd in 2005.
Last year, IBM sold its printer business to Japan's Ricoh Co Ltd
(7752.T: Quote, Profile, Research).

An acquisition of AMD would "destroy shareholder value for IBM," Kumar
said. "That argument is a nonstarter."

AMD has said it would give details of its "asset-light" manufacturing
strategy sometime this year. AMD currently has a chip fabrication
plant, or fab, in Germany and has plans to build another one outside
Albany, New York.

Intel, by comparison, has some 12 chipmaking plants across the globe,
and its manufacturing prowess has long been a competitive advantage
against smaller rival AMD.

Mergermarket.com, a mergers-focused news service, reported on the
Financial Times' Web site that IBM and AMD could strengthen their
current partnership.

"A deal could see IBM's microelectronics division merge with AMD at
some point, possibly in the near term," mergermarket.com correspondent
David Zielenziger wrote, citing "industry sources."

http://www.reuters.com/article/hotStocksNews/idUSN2341197920080123


Newest Reuters wire claims IBM is considering a purchase of struggling
AMD

Few will argue that AMD's image and profitability are not what they
used to be. AMD was having issues prior to its purchase of graphics
maker ATI and things have only worsened since the ATI purchase.

DailyTech reported last week that AMD posted a massive loss for Q4
2007 of $1.72 billion while rival Intel posted significant profits
across its operations. Between new architectures and aggressive
pricing, a shakeup in the microprocessor arena is almost certain for
2008.

Reuters now reports IBM is possibly considering a buyout of
floundering AMD and some say this would be an ideal time for the
buyout with AMD stock prices at a low. IBM and AMD currently have a
research and development expense-sharing deal in place. This is not
the first time rumors of an IBM buyout of AMD have circulated.

Other companies have their eye on AMD as well. Texas Instruments and
Freescale have both expressed interest in turning AMD around.

Analyst Ashok Kumar from CRT Capital Group claims, "[IBM buying AMD
is] a pretty low-probability event because IBM is moving away from
hardware and manufacturing and moving to software and solutions. I
don't think IBM wants the bragging rights to go up against Intel."

IBM sold its hard drive making business to Hitachi in 2002 and sold
its PC business to Lenovo in 2005. According to Kumar an IBM purchase
of AMD would "destroy shareholder value for IBM.

http://www.dailytech.com/Report+IBM+Could+Make+a+Move+for+AMD+Analysts+Doub tful/article10456.htm

Richard P
January 25th 08, 02:13 PM
sprite scaler wrote:
>
> IBM Takeover of AMD Speculations Arise
>
> Speculations that microchip maker AMD might be bought by IBM surfaced
> the last couple of days, rising AMD's stock shares by 8% yesterday.
>
> Neither parties have commented on the rumour, which however proved to
> be enough to offer AMD's share a a significant boost. At the same
> time, IBM's stock was down yesterday by 1.7 percent on the New York
> Stock Exchange.
>
> Some analysts have predicted that with AMD shares being so low, it
> might be a good time for IBM to acquire them. IBM has had a research
> and development expense-sharing agreement with AMD. AMD might want to
> use IBM's East Fishkill, New York, chip-fabrication plant to build
> microprocessors, in an effort to stengthen its position against rival
> Intel, who currently has 12 chipmaking plants across the globe,
> compared to AMD's single chip fabrication plant in Germany.
>
> On the other hand, IBM's recent policy to move away from hardware and
> manufacturing and moving to software and solutions, make the
> acquisition a low-probability event. IBM sold its computer hard disk
> business to Hitachi in 2002 and its PC business to China's Lenovo
> Group in 2005. Last year, IBM sold its printer business to Japan's
> Ricoh. Earlier Wednesday, IBM said it was buying privately held
> AptSoft Corp to expand its business event processing software
> portfolio.
>
> Mergermarket.com, a mergers-focused news service, reported on the
> Financial Times' Web site that IBM and AMD could strengthen their
> current partnership.
>
> "A deal could see IBM's microelectronics division merge with AMD at
> some point, possibly in the near term," mergermarket.com correspondent
> David Zielenziger wrote, citing "industry sources."
>
> http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22347
>
>
>
>
> By Philipp Gollner and Duncan Martell
>
> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Advanced Micro Devices shares rose as much
> as 8 percent on Wednesday on speculation that the microchip maker
> might be bought by IBM, but analysts said the chances of an
> acquisition were slim.
>
> Spokesmen for IBM and AMD, based in Sunnyvale, California, declined to
> comment on the rumor.
>
> Shares of AMD, the second-largest maker of microprocessors after Intel
> Corp , added as much as 55 cents to $7.39 and were up 23 cents or 3.4
> percent at $7.07 in afternoon trading. International Business Machines
> Corp stock was down $1.73 or 1.7 percent at $99.58 on the New York
> Stock Exchange.
>
> "The takeover of AMD by IBM has been mentioned before and with AMD
> shares being so low, it might be a good time for IBM to acquire them,"
> said William Lefkowitz, options strategist at brokerage firm vFinance
> Investments in New York.
>
> AMD call options were trading higher than usual because of the rumor,
> he added.
>
> IBM of Armonk, New York, has had a research and development expense-
> sharing agreement with AMD, and analysts have speculated that AMD
> might want to use IBM's East Fishkill, New York, chip-fabrication
> plant to build microprocessors.
>
> An acquisition of AMD would be "a pretty low-probability event because
> IBM is moving away from hardware and manufacturing and moving to
> software and solutions," said Ashok Kumar, an analyst at CRT Capital
> Group. "I don't think IBM wants the bragging rights to go up against
> Intel."
>
> "IBM buying AMD is a nonstarter," Kumar said. "There's no rationale
> for that. Investors would just pound IBM's stock."
>
>
> IBM has been exiting computer hardware businesses to focus on higher-
> profit software and technology services tailored to clients.
>
> Earlier Wednesday, IBM said it was buying privately held AptSoft Corp
> to expand its business event processing software portfolio.
>
> Revenue from IBM's microelectronics business fell 15 percent in the
> fourth quarter. The unit mainly supplies chips to run IBM's mainframe
> computers and business server machines.
>
> IBM sold its computer disk-drive business to Hitachi Ltd in 2002 and
> its personal-computer business to China's Lenovo Group Ltd in 2005.
> Last year, IBM sold its printer business to Japan's Ricoh Co Ltd
> (7752.T: Quote, Profile, Research).
>
> An acquisition of AMD would "destroy shareholder value for IBM," Kumar
> said. "That argument is a nonstarter."
>
> AMD has said it would give details of its "asset-light" manufacturing
> strategy sometime this year. AMD currently has a chip fabrication
> plant, or fab, in Germany and has plans to build another one outside
> Albany, New York.
>
> Intel, by comparison, has some 12 chipmaking plants across the globe,
> and its manufacturing prowess has long been a competitive advantage
> against smaller rival AMD.
>
> Mergermarket.com, a mergers-focused news service, reported on the
> Financial Times' Web site that IBM and AMD could strengthen their
> current partnership.
>
> "A deal could see IBM's microelectronics division merge with AMD at
> some point, possibly in the near term," mergermarket.com correspondent
> David Zielenziger wrote, citing "industry sources."
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/hotStocksNews/idUSN2341197920080123
>
>
> Newest Reuters wire claims IBM is considering a purchase of struggling
> AMD
>
> Few will argue that AMD's image and profitability are not what they
> used to be. AMD was having issues prior to its purchase of graphics
> maker ATI and things have only worsened since the ATI purchase.
>
> DailyTech reported last week that AMD posted a massive loss for Q4
> 2007 of $1.72 billion while rival Intel posted significant profits
> across its operations. Between new architectures and aggressive
> pricing, a shakeup in the microprocessor arena is almost certain for
> 2008.
>
> Reuters now reports IBM is possibly considering a buyout of
> floundering AMD and some say this would be an ideal time for the
> buyout with AMD stock prices at a low. IBM and AMD currently have a
> research and development expense-sharing deal in place. This is not
> the first time rumors of an IBM buyout of AMD have circulated.
>
> Other companies have their eye on AMD as well. Texas Instruments and
> Freescale have both expressed interest in turning AMD around.
>
> Analyst Ashok Kumar from CRT Capital Group claims, "[IBM buying AMD
> is] a pretty low-probability event because IBM is moving away from
> hardware and manufacturing and moving to software and solutions. I
> don't think IBM wants the bragging rights to go up against Intel."
>
> IBM sold its hard drive making business to Hitachi in 2002 and sold
> its PC business to Lenovo in 2005. According to Kumar an IBM purchase
> of AMD would "destroy shareholder value for IBM.
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/Report+IBM+Could+Make+a+Move+for+AMD+Analysts+Doub tful/article10456.htm

Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
could lead to interesting times ahead.

J. Clarke
January 25th 08, 02:47 PM
Richard P wrote:
<news items snipped>

> Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
> could lead to interesting times ahead.

Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.

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mr deo
January 25th 08, 09:17 PM
> > Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
> > could lead to interesting times ahead.
>
> Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.
>
>

If anyone can break IBM's list of solid products it's AMD

Jed
January 25th 08, 11:24 PM
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:17:18 GMT, "mr deo"
> wrote:

>
>> > Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
>> > could lead to interesting times ahead.
>>
>> Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.
>>
>>
>
>If anyone can break IBM's list of solid products ...

I take it you have never used ClearCase or Tivoli.

January 26th 08, 01:04 AM
On Jan 25, 3:17*pm, "mr deo" >
wrote:
> > > Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
> > > could lead to interesting times ahead.
>
> > Would be nice. *If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.
>
> If anyone can break IBM's list of solid products it's AMD

The only time that i ever bought shares of IBM... April 8th, 1994, i
bought shares of IBM at $52.50... sold July 19, 1995 at $107.00, where
their earnings were up 2.97 versus 1.14 and sales up 17.531 versus
15.351 billion, yet the price to earnings ratio had declined, thus i
figured the market had lost interest. Investor Business Daily had an
E number of 79 and a R number of 86. Their earnings report of January
24, 1995 showed an increased price to earnings and their report of
April 21, 1995 also showed an increased price to earnings. Thus
July's report showing a decrease in price to earnings was a red flag.
Looking back at an Investor Business Daily chart within their
newspaper, dated June 8, 1994, shows that i had missed a better
opportunity to buy, back in Octorber / November of 1993... oh well.

Presently, i'd agree with "Mr Deo", that if IBM were to buy AMD, it
would be a mistake... for which would be reason to short IBM shares
and undoubtedly many people have done sooo already. Given where IBM's
thrust has been over the last decade, a merger just wouldn't make a
lick of sense. Though one does wonder if AMD is on that same path
that National Semiconductor once slid, for which, like National spread
rumors, perhaps AMD is doing now... history tends to repeat
itself.

Steven Stone
January 26th 08, 01:46 AM
IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?

J. Clarke
January 26th 08, 08:51 AM
Steven Stone wrote:
> IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?

To make bucks selling chips to Lenovo?

IBM doesn't seem to be in any rush to divest their semiconductor
business.

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Bob M
January 26th 08, 08:13 PM
mr deo wrote:
>>> Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
>>> could lead to interesting times ahead.
>> Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.
>>
>>
>
> If anyone can break IBM's list of solid products it's AMD
>
>

Probably the other way around. Plus the prices of AMD chips would
skyrocket.

Bob

Man-wai Chang ToDie
January 27th 08, 05:22 AM
>> Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
>> could lead to interesting times ahead.
> Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.

IBM was never famous of graphics stuff ... ???

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Charlie Perrin
January 27th 08, 06:39 AM
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:51:33 -0500, "J. Clarke" wrote:

>Steven Stone wrote:

>> IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?

>To make bucks selling chips to Lenovo?

Lenovo

>IBM doesn't seem to be in any rush to divest their semiconductor
>business.

With the CPUs for the Wii, XBOX 360, and PlayStation 3 all coming from
IBM, they aren't hurting. There's also a lot of places where the POWER
Architecture is used in embedded systems.

On the other hand, had they paid more attention to Steve Jobs'
requests for a low-power POWER Architecture chip, the whole Intel Mac
situation would have never developed.

J. Clarke
January 27th 08, 11:35 AM
Man-wai Chang ToDie wrote:
>>> Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen
>>> it
>>> could lead to interesting times ahead.
>> Would be nice. If anybody can fix ATI's drivers it's IBM.
>
> IBM was never famous of graphics stuff ... ???

No, they were famous of system software development.

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Man-wai Chang ToDie
January 27th 08, 12:08 PM
>> IBM was never famous of graphics stuff ... ???
>
> No, they were famous of system software development.
>

And hardware engieering in Watsons center...

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Airman Thunderbird
January 27th 08, 04:00 PM
Reminds me of that old Chinese curse, (that's appropriate these days,
ain't it)

"May you live in interesting times".


>>> Can't see this happening to be honest. If it however does happen it
>>> could lead to interesting times ahead.

Yousuf Khan
January 27th 08, 04:17 PM
Charlie Perrin wrote:
> On the other hand, had they paid more attention to Steve Jobs'
> requests for a low-power POWER Architecture chip, the whole Intel Mac
> situation would have never developed.

It was likely to happen anyways, as Mac sales was being held back by
lack of compatibility with Windows.

Yousuf Khan

Mike Ruskai
January 28th 08, 04:34 AM
On or about Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:46:52 GMT did Steven Stone
> dribble thusly:

>IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3455/specs.html
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3655/specs.html
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Folk
January 28th 08, 06:33 PM
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:34:10 -0500, Mike Ruskai
> wrote:

>On or about Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:46:52 GMT did Steven Stone
> dribble thusly:
>
>>IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?
>
>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3455/specs.html
>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3655/specs.html

Heh. You're a bit late...
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141836/lenovo_enters_the_server_business.html

Mike Ruskai
January 30th 08, 05:45 PM
On or about Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:33:32 -0500 did Folk >
dribble thusly:

>On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:34:10 -0500, Mike Ruskai
> wrote:
>
>>On or about Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:46:52 GMT did Steven Stone
> dribble thusly:
>>
>>>IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?
>>
>>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3455/specs.html
>>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3655/specs.html
>
>Heh. You're a bit late...
>http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141836/lenovo_enters_the_server_business.html

Hardly. From the article:

"IBM will continue to distribute System x servers under its own brand
name, said Tim Breuer, an IBM spokesman. IBM is not worried about
competition from Lenovo, Breuer said, adding that the deal would in
fact boost IBM's licensing and financing business."

Of course, I'm not sure I see a real benefit (for IBM) to an AMD
acquisition. There'd definitely be a big benefit to AMD and its
customers, if only from IBM's manufacturing capacity.
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Folk
January 30th 08, 06:34 PM
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:45:46 -0500, Mike Ruskai
> wrote:

>On or about Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:33:32 -0500 did Folk >
>dribble thusly:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:34:10 -0500, Mike Ruskai
> wrote:
>>
>>>On or about Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:46:52 GMT did Steven Stone
> dribble thusly:
>>>
>>>>IBM sold off their PC division to Lenovo. Why would they want AMD ?
>>>
>>>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3455/specs.html
>>>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/rack/x3655/specs.html
>>
>>Heh. You're a bit late...
>>http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141836/lenovo_enters_the_server_business.html
>
>Hardly. From the article:
>
>"IBM will continue to distribute System x servers under its own brand
>name, said Tim Breuer, an IBM spokesman. IBM is not worried about
>competition from Lenovo, Breuer said, adding that the deal would in
>fact boost IBM's licensing and financing business."
>
>Of course, I'm not sure I see a real benefit (for IBM) to an AMD
>acquisition. There'd definitely be a big benefit to AMD and its
>customers, if only from IBM's manufacturing capacity.

You're right... my bad. I linked to the PC World article from a
different article that had put a slightly different spin on it, and I
missed the part where IBM had retained ownership.

IBM and AMD have had joint manufacturing agreements in the past, so
there's certainly a relationship there, but:

- IBM is moving more into software and services so I would be
surprised if they purchased a chip manufacturer the size of AMD.

- IBM is not an "enthusiast" oriented company, so they would be the
wrong people to market AMD/ATI products. Sure, the marketing could
remain within the child companies, but IBM doesn't have a record of
"hands-off" management, and would very quickly absorb the new entities
and ****-can any unnecessary or duplicated management functions.
Besides, IBM's marketing department sucks hugely.