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VanShania
January 21st 06, 05:03 PM
I have just been relying on my router firewall and XPs firewall, and my
computer has always seemed sluggish. I did a fresh install of the OS and
drivers and before hooking up to the net, installed ZoneAlarm firewall free
version which blocks unwanted incoming and outgoing "bugs". Now my computer
scims along like it never has before. Though I did install updated vidcard
drivers(ATI AIW 9600 XT) which boosted my benchmark 1500 points( 10906 to
12412), it still never operated like it was when I had these drivers
installed previously. ZoneAlarm has blocked 19 intrusions from the same ip
address in 2 hours, meaning that when I was just using the mentioned
firewalls, these attacks were actually getting through( I still have my
router attached). Again, I must admit I did install my ATI drivers
differently this time( loaded Direct X 9c then vid drivers, then DX9c again,
uninstalled vidcard drivers and reinstalled them overtop of dx9) so maybe
this was the problem too. But at any rate, the performance of my computer is
like it never was before.(ATI recommends installing Vidcard drivers overtop
Direct X). I also have my computer overclocked to 171(XP2600) and my Samsung
PC3200 Cas Latency at 2T and running 1:1 with fsb. Was the best score I
could get without raising voltge and causing instability(gained 300 points).
Zone alarm rocks.

dino
January 21st 06, 10:09 PM
a fresh install in itself will do that..you have to figure you don't have
all the apps running in the background that you had before. So what you
saying is sort of irrevelant...just wait awhile..as you start to load more
and more apps the performance will slowly go down. As for the blocked
intrusion attempts..you only see them because it is reporting it to you. I
turned that off..why look at it?
As for Windows firewall...it is not the best anyways.

VanShania
January 22nd 06, 12:34 AM
And neither are those router firewalls either. The only way these bugs are
hitting zonealarm is they are getting past the router firewall.

"dino" > wrote in message
. ..
> a fresh install in itself will do that..you have to figure you don't have
> all the apps running in the background that you had before. So what you
> saying is sort of irrevelant...just wait awhile..as you start to load more
> and more apps the performance will slowly go down. As for the blocked
> intrusion attempts..you only see them because it is reporting it to you. I
> turned that off..why look at it?
> As for Windows firewall...it is not the best anyways.
>
>

dino
January 22nd 06, 01:21 AM
true but..if you have any ports opened for email..or for gaming..or have
accidentally set it to DMZ...you are outside of the firewall..this computer
is DMZ'd so it is outside..my other 2 are nestled in behind it..no issues at
all with them. I run NIS for this unit.

VanShania
January 23rd 06, 03:32 PM
wouldn't happen to have the ip address for the dlink router handy would ya?
I seem to have misplaced my book. This NAT thing is set in the router right?


"Bill" > wrote in message ...
> VanShania wrote:
>
> >And neither are those router firewalls either. The only way these bugs
are
> >hitting zonealarm is they are getting past the router firewall.
>
> If you're running the router with NAT, there is virtually no possible
> way for any pings or any other contact to occur - that's the nature of
> Network Address Translation (NAT) and why routers are so popular.
>
> If you're getting pinged, then you're not using the router in NAT mode
> and you're not isolated from the internet. Forget about any firewall
> settings inside the router - just run it with NAT, and you're 99.9%
> protected automatically. With NAT, you should NEVER see any intrusion
> attempts, pings, or pokes at any port.
>
> Besides, any port that is closed is inaccessible anyway, even if you're
> not protected with a router or firewall. A closed port is like a locked
> door, outsiders can't get in unless you OPEN the port.
>
> Also, a simple firewall like ZoneAlarm is a good idea to make sure you
> don't have any OUTBOUND traffic from trojans that are already on your
> system. A decent antivirus program is a good idea too.

PB
January 26th 06, 08:01 AM
VanShania wrote:
> wouldn't happen to have the ip address for the dlink router handy would ya?
> I seem to have misplaced my book. This NAT thing is set in the router right?
>
>
> "Bill" > wrote in message ...
>> VanShania wrote:
>>
>>> And neither are those router firewalls either. The only way these bugs
> are
>>> hitting zonealarm is they are getting past the router firewall.
>> If you're running the router with NAT, there is virtually no possible
>> way for any pings or any other contact to occur - that's the nature of
>> Network Address Translation (NAT) and why routers are so popular.
>>
>> If you're getting pinged, then you're not using the router in NAT mode
>> and you're not isolated from the internet. Forget about any firewall
>> settings inside the router - just run it with NAT, and you're 99.9%
>> protected automatically. With NAT, you should NEVER see any intrusion
>> attempts, pings, or pokes at any port.
>>
>> Besides, any port that is closed is inaccessible anyway, even if you're
>> not protected with a router or firewall. A closed port is like a locked
>> door, outsiders can't get in unless you OPEN the port.
>>
>> Also, a simple firewall like ZoneAlarm is a good idea to make sure you
>> don't have any OUTBOUND traffic from trojans that are already on your
>> system. A decent antivirus program is a good idea too.
>
>
Google for "Shields Up" and you can go to a site that will attempt to
contact you and give you a report of how your PC presents itself when
connected to the Internet.

P00lb0y

stanmc
January 26th 06, 03:28 PM
PB wrote:
> VanShania wrote:
>
>> wouldn't happen to have the ip address for the dlink router handy
>> would ya?
>> I seem to have misplaced my book. This NAT thing is set in the router
>> right?
>>
>>
>> "Bill" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> VanShania wrote:
>>>
>>>> And neither are those router firewalls either. The only way these bugs
>>
>> are
>>
>>>> hitting zonealarm is they are getting past the router firewall.
>>>
>>> If you're running the router with NAT, there is virtually no possible
>>> way for any pings or any other contact to occur - that's the nature of
>>> Network Address Translation (NAT) and why routers are so popular.
>>>
>>> If you're getting pinged, then you're not using the router in NAT mode
>>> and you're not isolated from the internet. Forget about any firewall
>>> settings inside the router - just run it with NAT, and you're 99.9%
>>> protected automatically. With NAT, you should NEVER see any intrusion
>>> attempts, pings, or pokes at any port.
>>>
>>> Besides, any port that is closed is inaccessible anyway, even if you're
>>> not protected with a router or firewall. A closed port is like a locked
>>> door, outsiders can't get in unless you OPEN the port.
>>>
>>> Also, a simple firewall like ZoneAlarm is a good idea to make sure you
>>> don't have any OUTBOUND traffic from trojans that are already on your
>>> system. A decent antivirus program is a good idea too.
>>
>>
>>
> Google for "Shields Up" and you can go to a site that will attempt to
> contact you and give you a report of how your PC presents itself when
> connected to the Internet.
>
> P00lb0y
www.grc.com

Jester
January 27th 06, 12:35 PM
I don't know what the ip is for the dlink, mines acer and it starts
192.168.x.x as do most machines on a local home network.
I don't knwo how you can turn a NAT off, as thats its job to route traffic
between the 2 networks (Lan and Net), but it can be set to pass traffic
straight through. One setting is called the DMZ which will basically forward
ANY incoming traffic to a specific machine, and then theres port forwarding
which does what it says for specific ports only. Thats used for setting up
game servers or filesharing. If you want the best protection from the router
both those should be disabled in the router settings page.
Sorry if thats not the answer, I joined the thread halfway through.

J.


"VanShania" > wrote in message
...
> wouldn't happen to have the ip address for the dlink router handy would
> ya?
> I seem to have misplaced my book. This NAT thing is set in the router
> right?
>
>
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
>> VanShania wrote:
>>
>> >And neither are those router firewalls either. The only way these bugs
> are
>> >hitting zonealarm is they are getting past the router firewall.
>>
>> If you're running the router with NAT, there is virtually no possible
>> way for any pings or any other contact to occur - that's the nature of
>> Network Address Translation (NAT) and why routers are so popular.
>>
>> If you're getting pinged, then you're not using the router in NAT mode
>> and you're not isolated from the internet. Forget about any firewall
>> settings inside the router - just run it with NAT, and you're 99.9%
>> protected automatically. With NAT, you should NEVER see any intrusion
>> attempts, pings, or pokes at any port.
>>
>> Besides, any port that is closed is inaccessible anyway, even if you're
>> not protected with a router or firewall. A closed port is like a locked
>> door, outsiders can't get in unless you OPEN the port.
>>
>> Also, a simple firewall like ZoneAlarm is a good idea to make sure you
>> don't have any OUTBOUND traffic from trojans that are already on your
>> system. A decent antivirus program is a good idea too.
>
>

VanShania
January 29th 06, 04:40 PM
From ZoneAlarm info site
Alexa Toolbar comes bundled with other programs, which may include Windows
XP, Internet Explorer 6.0. It can also be downloaded from Alexa's website
and installed directly by someone with administrative access to your
computer
Alexa Toolbar is a program that includes a pop-up manager (it blocks
pop-ups), a web search function (powered by Google) and buttons that provide
additional information, such as site information, and related sites. Alexa
also sends information about all web pages you visit back to Alexa's
servers. It includes both page URLs and data you sent to web sites as a part
of URL.

I also forgot to turn on zonealarm before rebooting and sure enough, my
optical drive performance became sluggish again. So if you don't have a good
firewall, you got spyware. I downloaded Zone Alarms free version and tryed
the pro version for 15 days. This allows you to delete it out of your system
or quarentine it. Though I don't know if it stays qaurentined after the 15
days so maybe deleting it is the better idea.

If you use aawpersonal, you've probably seen this spyware being cleaned.

Sorry Dino, didn't mean to send this to your email. Pushed the wrong button
I guess.
--
[email protected] Volts,
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, SB Live OEM
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
171fsb 2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3D2005 basic 1078X768, No AA
"VanShania" > wrote in message
...
> I have just been relying on my router firewall and XPs firewall, and my
> computer has always seemed sluggish. I did a fresh install of the OS and
> drivers and before hooking up to the net, installed ZoneAlarm firewall
free
> version which blocks unwanted incoming and outgoing "bugs". Now my
computer
> scims along like it never has before. Though I did install updated vidcard
> drivers(ATI AIW 9600 XT) which boosted my benchmark 1500 points( 10906 to
> 12412), it still never operated like it was when I had these drivers
> installed previously. ZoneAlarm has blocked 19 intrusions from the same ip
> address in 2 hours, meaning that when I was just using the mentioned
> firewalls, these attacks were actually getting through( I still have my
> router attached). Again, I must admit I did install my ATI drivers
> differently this time( loaded Direct X 9c then vid drivers, then DX9c
again,
> uninstalled vidcard drivers and reinstalled them overtop of dx9) so maybe
> this was the problem too. But at any rate, the performance of my computer
is
> like it never was before.(ATI recommends installing Vidcard drivers
overtop
> Direct X). I also have my computer overclocked to 171(XP2600) and my
Samsung
> PC3200 Cas Latency at 2T and running 1:1 with fsb. Was the best score I
> could get without raising voltge and causing instability(gained 300
points).
> Zone alarm rocks.
>
>

VanShania
January 29th 06, 04:43 PM
I deleted this file out of my computer and no ill effects, so get rid of
Alexa.

--
[email protected] Volts,
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, SB Live OEM
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
171fsb 2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3D2005 basic 1078X768, No AA
"VanShania" > wrote in message
...
> From ZoneAlarm info site
> Alexa Toolbar comes bundled with other programs, which may include Windows
> XP, Internet Explorer 6.0. It can also be downloaded from Alexa's website
> and installed directly by someone with administrative access to your
> computer
> Alexa Toolbar is a program that includes a pop-up manager (it blocks
> pop-ups), a web search function (powered by Google) and buttons that
provide
> additional information, such as site information, and related sites. Alexa
> also sends information about all web pages you visit back to Alexa's
> servers. It includes both page URLs and data you sent to web sites as a
part
> of URL.
>
> I also forgot to turn on zonealarm before rebooting and sure enough, my
> optical drive performance became sluggish again. So if you don't have a
good
> firewall, you got spyware. I downloaded Zone Alarms free version and tryed
> the pro version for 15 days. This allows you to delete it out of your
system
> or quarentine it. Though I don't know if it stays qaurentined after the 15
> days so maybe deleting it is the better idea.
>
> If you use aawpersonal, you've probably seen this spyware being cleaned.
>
> Sorry Dino, didn't mean to send this to your email. Pushed the wrong
button
> I guess.
> --
> [email protected] Volts,
> AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
> WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
> Plextor PX-712A, SB Live OEM
> Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
> Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick
> ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
> 171fsb 2066, cpu_score-2926
> in 3D2005 basic 1078X768, No AA
> "VanShania" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have just been relying on my router firewall and XPs firewall, and my
> > computer has always seemed sluggish. I did a fresh install of the OS and
> > drivers and before hooking up to the net, installed ZoneAlarm firewall
> free
> > version which blocks unwanted incoming and outgoing "bugs". Now my
> computer
> > scims along like it never has before. Though I did install updated
vidcard
> > drivers(ATI AIW 9600 XT) which boosted my benchmark 1500 points( 10906
to
> > 12412), it still never operated like it was when I had these drivers
> > installed previously. ZoneAlarm has blocked 19 intrusions from the same
ip
> > address in 2 hours, meaning that when I was just using the mentioned
> > firewalls, these attacks were actually getting through( I still have my
> > router attached). Again, I must admit I did install my ATI drivers
> > differently this time( loaded Direct X 9c then vid drivers, then DX9c
> again,
> > uninstalled vidcard drivers and reinstalled them overtop of dx9) so
maybe
> > this was the problem too. But at any rate, the performance of my
computer
> is
> > like it never was before.(ATI recommends installing Vidcard drivers
> overtop
> > Direct X). I also have my computer overclocked to 171(XP2600) and my
> Samsung
> > PC3200 Cas Latency at 2T and running 1:1 with fsb. Was the best score I
> > could get without raising voltge and causing instability(gained 300
> points).
> > Zone alarm rocks.
> >
> >
>
>