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Digideus
August 25th 05, 06:38 PM
Hi all,

I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a Biostar M6VBE
motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running Windows 98
SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am running what
I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.

I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy with it.
Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a cheap
Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.

This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek: Armada II.
Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG says its
enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....

Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)

I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200 and
reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site and
DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.

I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and driver and
Direct3d works again!!!!

I reversed the process and it doesnt work.

I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its enabled, so
why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?

Anyone?

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Larry Roberts
August 25th 05, 10:55 PM
On 25 Aug 2005 13:38:30 -0400, Digideus
> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a Biostar M6VBE
>motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running Windows 98
>SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am running what
>I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.
>
>I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy with it.
>Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a cheap
>Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.
>
>This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek: Armada II.
>Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG says its
>enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....
>
>Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
>Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>
>I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200 and
>reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site and
>DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.
>
>I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and driver and
>Direct3d works again!!!!
>
>I reversed the process and it doesnt work.
>
>I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its enabled, so
>why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?
>
>Anyone?


From my expirence, it seems that DirectX 9 is not stable with
Win9x OS. I was running WinME (tried 98SE as well) up till around the
time DX9 came out. I started having all kinds of problems with
graphics. Some of which you describe. If you already installed DX9,
then your stuck with it as it can't be removed unless you format the
drive, and reinstall Win98SE from scratch.
I might be wrong about DX9 being the problem, but if no one
else has a better idea, I'd say format, reinstall everything clean,
but only install upto DX8. However you'll problably need to install an
older Nvidia driver as well as the newer ones may require DX9 be
installed.

Robert Gault
August 25th 05, 11:27 PM
Digideus wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a Biostar M6VBE
> motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running Windows 98
> SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am running what
> I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.
>
> I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy with it.
> Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a cheap
> Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.
>
> This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek: Armada II.
> Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG says its
> enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....
>
> Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
> Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
> Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>
> I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200 and
> reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site and
> DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.
>
> I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and driver and
> Direct3d works again!!!!
>
> I reversed the process and it doesnt work.
>
> I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its enabled, so
> why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?
>
> Anyone?
>

Probably there are residual ATI entries in the Registry. You will need
to scrub the system of all ATI files before installing the nVidia drivers.

If you do a Google search, you probably will find details for completely
removing ATI traces.

Robert Gault
August 25th 05, 11:30 PM
Larry Roberts wrote:

> On 25 Aug 2005 13:38:30 -0400, Digideus
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a Biostar M6VBE
>>motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running Windows 98
>>SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am running what
>>I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.
>>
>>I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy with it.
>>Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a cheap
>>Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.
>>
>>This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek: Armada II.
>>Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG says its
>>enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....
>>
>>Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>>HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
>>Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>>HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>>Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
>>HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>>
>>I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200 and
>>reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site and
>>DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.
>>
>>I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and driver and
>>Direct3d works again!!!!
>>
>>I reversed the process and it doesnt work.
>>
>>I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its enabled, so
>>why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?
>>
>>Anyone?
>
>
>
> From my expirence, it seems that DirectX 9 is not stable with
> Win9x OS. I was running WinME (tried 98SE as well) up till around the
> time DX9 came out. I started having all kinds of problems with
> graphics. Some of which you describe. If you already installed DX9,
> then your stuck with it as it can't be removed unless you format the
> drive, and reinstall Win98SE from scratch.
> I might be wrong about DX9 being the problem, but if no one
> else has a better idea, I'd say format, reinstall everything clean,
> but only install upto DX8. However you'll problably need to install an
> older Nvidia driver as well as the newer ones may require DX9 be
> installed.

I have DirectX 9c on my Win98SE and it causes no problems. I have also
removed the running version of DirectX and gone back to others for
testing purposes. This was done without reinstalling Win98SE. There are
many Google hits for programs that can remove DirectX safely without the
need to reinstall your OS.

First of One
August 26th 05, 01:00 AM
There's a standalone program by ATi called AtiCimUn.exe, bundled with recent
ATi Catalyst drivers, that will remove all traces of leftover ATi drivers
and demos from your system.

Rage driver releases don't seem to bundle this program, and Add/Remove does
not actually delete the driver files.

Either extract AtiCimUn.exe from a Catalyst driver package, or email me and
I'll send you the executable (small, 108 KB).

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bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Digideus" > wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a Biostar M6VBE
> motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running Windows 98
> SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am running what
> I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.
>
> I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy with it.
> Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a cheap
> Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.
>
> This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek: Armada II.
> Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG says its
> enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....
>
> Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
> Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
> Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device):
> HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
>
> I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200 and
> reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site and
> DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.
>
> I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and driver and
> Direct3d works again!!!!
>
> I reversed the process and it doesnt work.
>
> I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its enabled, so
> why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?
>
> Anyone?

Digideus
August 26th 05, 10:38 PM
"" wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2005 13:38:30 -0400, Digideus
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I have an older PC with a P3 500 processor running in a
> Biostar M6VBE
> >motherboard, which I believe runs up to AGPx2. Its running
> Windows 98
> >SE, has all the latest updates from Windows Update. I am
> running what
> >I believe to be the latest Bios patch as well.
> >
> >I originally ran an ATI Rage128 GFX card and was very happy
> with it.
> >Unfortunately I had to remove the card and replaced it with a
> cheap
> >Nvidia GEForce2 MX440 SE.
> >
> >This seemed to work fine until I tried to run Star Trek:
> Armada II.
> >Ever since this I cannot enable Direct3d. Even though DXDIAG
> says its
> >enabled, I get errors when I try to test it, namely....
> >
> >Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D
> Device):
> >HRESULT = 0x887602eb (error code)
> >Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D
> Device):
> >HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
> >Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D
> Device):
> >HRESULT = 0x8876086a (3D not available)
> >
> >I tried removing everything, replacded the card for a FX5200
> and
> >reinstalled the latest Forceware drivers from the Nvidia site
> and
> >DirectX 9.0c. but I still get the same errors.
> >
> >I remove the forceware driver, reinstall the ATI card and
> driver and
> >Direct3d works again!!!!
> >
> >I reversed the process and it doesnt work.
> >
> >I KNOW the FX5200 supports Direct3d, and DXDIAG says its
> enabled, so
> >why cant I run the direct3d tests without the errors?
> >
> >Anyone?
>
>
> From my expirence, it seems that DirectX 9 is not stable with
> Win9x OS. I was running WinME (tried 98SE as well) up till
> around the
> time DX9 came out. I started having all kinds of problems with
> graphics. Some of which you describe. If you already installed
> DX9,
> then your stuck with it as it can't be removed unless you
> format the
> drive, and reinstall Win98SE from scratch.
> I might be wrong about DX9 being the problem, but if no one
> else has a better idea, I'd say format, reinstall everything
> clean,
> but only install upto DX8. However you'll problably need to
> install an
> older Nvidia driver as well as the newer ones may require DX9
> be
> installed.

Cheers for the Info. That makes a lot of sence actually. I think its
more the Nvidia drivers as the ATI card works fine. It just seems
stupid that a card designed to support direct3d doesnt support
direct3d yet an older card does! Go figure!!!

Cheers all the same

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Digideus
August 26th 05, 10:38 PM
"Digideus" wrote:
> Cheers for the Info. That makes a lot of sence actually. I
> think its more the Nvidia drivers as the ATI card works fine.
> It just seems stupid that a card designed to support direct3d
> doesnt support direct3d yet an older card does! Go figure!!!
>
> Cheers all the same

Right, answering my own problem in case anyone has trouble.

Remove the latest drivers from Nvidias site (the latest ones whatever
they are!) They are rubbish on Win98 and from what ive seen, on a lot
of other platforms too.

Try the Omega optimised drivers instead (www.omegadrivers.com) as I
just installed them and tested them in DXDIAG and the results were....
Impressive.... to say the least.